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It doesn't seem ****** to anyone else that ND was trying to get him off the scholarship count by saying he was too injured to play college football, and now he is transferring?

 

Somewhat agree with. It’s not ideal but if he was given the option to continue his education for free via a medical “cut” from the team or transfer in order to still play ball somewhere then it’s a fair business decision by the coaches to get the best 85 players on scholarship.

 

Maybe at first he thought the degree from ND was more important than trying to play a sport he is most likely finished with after college. After a short period of time he had a change of hear and figured the opportunity to play outweighed the degree.

 

I think this will be a standard practice in the future to get the best personnel on the roster. If that means better success on the field and those “cut” still have their education covered then so be it.

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It doesn't seem ****** to anyone else that ND was trying to get him off the scholarship count by saying he was too injured to play college football, and now he is transferring?

 

He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot.

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He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot.

 

I feel like I’m in this landscape you could probably get by on numbers to a degree. How can the NCAA really punish you when you have a kid who is undecided on playing. One moment he’s afraid and doesn’t want to play, fall camp comes and he maybe feels safer and wants to come back. I don’t think the NCAA and all their sloppiness in the past really want lawsuits from college athletes on whether to play or not. Just my opinion though...

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He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot.

 

It must be merely coincidence that each year the number of medical waivers seems to always match the exact number of spots that ND is over the 85 person limit

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It must be merely coincidence that each year the number of medical waivers seems to always match the exact number of spots that ND is over the 85 person limit

 

All I’m saying is it’s not impossible he’s legitimately hurt and still wants to transfer.

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Regardless, it doesn’t matter. He’s the only author of his fate. If he didn’t want to be forced out, he should’ve risen to the challenge. And if he’s honest with himself, ge’ll see that.

 

Half this board has bitched and moaned about how Bama grey shirts and runs kids that aren’t good enough out of town. Now ND is seemingly doing it and it’s his fault?

 

IDK. Maybe he had some season ending injury and was ready to transfer anyway?

 

Why is ND putting kids with season ending injuries on a medical scholarship, essentially ending his ND career?

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All I'm saying is that if you find yourself in a situation like that...being the 86th guy...it's on you. You either didn't work hard enough to be better or you have to be honest with yourself that you've simply hit your ceiling and aren't the caliber that is required. It's fine to not be as good as desired. You just have to be honest with yourself about it and say, either, next time I'll work harder or you know what, I gave it my all and this is simply the best I have...

 

Regardless, you have to be honest with yourself and accountable to the consequences. They could switch him to an academic schollie and let him stay in school, just not play.

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All I'm saying is that if you find yourself in a situation like that...being the 86th guy...it's on you. You either didn't work hard enough to be better or you have to be honest with yourself that you've simply hit your ceiling and aren't the caliber that is required. It's fine to not be as good as desired. You just have to be honest with yourself about it and say, either, next time I'll work harder or you know what, I gave it my all and this is simply the best I have...

 

Regardless, you have to be honest with yourself and accountable to the consequences. They could switch him to an academic schollie and let him stay in school, just not play.

 

It's weird that the 18 year old kid needs to be "accountable" but Brian Kelly and the University does have to be accountable back. They offered Robertson a 4 year football scholarship. Not a "you didn't turn out how we thought so now you're off the team" scholarship.

 

We as ND fans love to suck our own dicks talking about a 40 year decision and all that, all while doing the same stuff that the "football factories" we lament do. We don't get to play the moral high ground card when stuff like this is happening.

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It's weird that the 18 year old kid needs to be "accountable" but Brian Kelly and the University does have to be accountable back. They offered Robertson a 4 year football scholarship. Not a "you didn't turn out how we thought so now you're off the team" scholarship.

 

We as ND fans love to suck our own dicks talking about a 40 year decision and all that, all while doing the same stuff that the "football factories" we lament do. We don't get to play the moral high ground card when stuff like this is happening.

 

Nice language!

 

Help me understand. I honestly don’t know.

Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football?

 

That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege.

 

Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this?

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Nice language!

 

Help me understand. I honestly don’t know.

Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football?

 

That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege.

 

Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this?

 

You are correct. Scholarships are renewed annually and if a player is deemed by the staff to have a medical condition preventing them from playing, the school has the discretion of placing the player on Medical Hardship and convert the scholarship to Academic allowing them to graduate though prevented from playing their sport. Perfectly acceptable and implemented by every program competing at the D1 level. The player initially chose to take this route though had a change of mind/heart and elected to transfer. It will now become the responsibility of the new school to determine if the player is medically cleared to play. In Robertson's case, he clearly did not see a path to increased playing time and made a decision he felt was in his best interest. It's not a complicated issue and ND did nothing wrong in taking their actions, nor did Robertson do anything wrong and saw the talent coming in was going to prevent him from seeing the field on a consistent basis. Posters can attempt to change the narrative but your take is correct and simply time to move on.

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Nice language!

 

Help me understand. I honestly don’t know.

Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football?

 

That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege.

 

Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this?

 

That’s what I do not understand. Again, I’m hoping ND wouldn’t sink to dishonorable tactics like pushing a kid off scholarship.

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You are correct. Scholarships are renewed annually and if a player is deemed by the staff to have a medical condition preventing them from playing, the school has the discretion of placing the player on Medical Hardship and convert the scholarship to Academic allowing them to graduate though prevented from playing their sport. Perfectly acceptable and implemented by every program competing at the D1 level. The player initially chose to take this route though had a change of mind/heart and elected to transfer. It will now become the responsibility of the new school to determine if the player is medically cleared to play. In Robertson's case, he clearly did not see a path to increased playing time and made a decision he felt was in his best interest. It's not a complicated issue and ND did nothing wrong in taking their actions, nor did Robertson do anything wrong and saw the talent coming in was going to prevent him from seeing the field on a consistent basis. Posters can attempt to change the narrative but your take is correct and simply time to move on.

 

Amen. It is not like this is the first time this has happened at ND. I remember back some years ago there was a lineman that ND was going to give a medical hardship to but he wanted to continue playing football so he transferred to one of the Florida schools.

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As someone has pointed out these are not 4 year scholarships, they are one year renewable. Even academic schollies come with conditions, such as GPS maintenance, moral clauses etc. If you are out in the work force and can't cut it, you will be fired. If you fail in a marriage, she might take a walk on you. I see some people criticizing Kelly for not winning this or that and he needs to build his roster with better players to do so. When he does he gets flamed for that too. At least this young man still had the chance to get a valuable education out of the deal.

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As someone has pointed out these are not 4 year scholarships, they are one year renewable. Even academic schollies come with conditions, such as GPS maintenance, moral clauses etc. If you are out in the work force and can't cut it, you will be fired. If you fail in a marriage, she might take a walk on you. I see some people criticizing Kelly for not winning this or that and he needs to build his roster with better players to do so. When he does he gets flamed for that too. At least this young man still had the chance to get a valuable education out of the deal.

 

This is patently untrue in the power-5 plus ND. Schools are not allowed to cancel/not renew an athletic scholarship for an athletic reason. Source. Another Source.

 

Amen. It is not like this is the first time this has happened at ND. I remember back some years ago there was a lineman that ND was going to give a medical hardship to but he wanted to continue playing football so he transferred to one of the Florida schools.

 

The player was Dan Wenger and that situation feels a little different. He started every game his Junior year, but his Senior year a lot of concussion trouble and ND deemed him not fit to play. Florida then said he was fine to play and he played. Robertson has never really played and is seemingly being put on a medical scholarship to make room for the transfers ND took this offseason.

 

Nice language!

 

Help me understand. I honestly don’t know.

Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football?

 

That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege.

 

Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this?

 

ND offered the kid a 4 year football scholarship to Notre Dame. That's how I see it and since that's how the power-5 + ND have deemed it per the links above. If you search this board for his name, you see nothing about injuries to Robertson. You see a few posts about how he seems like a guy who will transfer. If ND put him on a medical scholarship when he did not actually have a career threatening/ending injury just to make room for other players, that feels fraudulent to me and against the spirit of the rules. Again, when posters on this board have complained about Bama/OSU/whoever oversigning and running players out it's a bad thing. But when ND is seemingly doing a similar thing it's just what needs to be done.

 

 

Edit: This isn't only about Robertson. It just feels strange that no matter how many players ND is over the scholarship limit they get that EXACT amount of medical scholarships these last few years.

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This is patently untrue in the power-5 plus ND. Schools are not allowed to cancel/not renew an athletic scholarship for an athletic reason. Source. Another Source.

 

 

 

The player was Dan Wenger and that situation feels a little different. He started every game his Junior year, but his Senior year a lot of concussion trouble and ND deemed him not fit to play. Florida then said he was fine to play and he played. Robertson has never really played and is seemingly being put on a medical scholarship to make room for the transfers ND took this offseason.

 

 

 

ND offered the kid a 4 year football scholarship to Notre Dame. That's how I see it and since that's how the power-5 + ND have deemed it per the links above. If you search this board for his name, you see nothing about injuries to Robertson. You see a few posts about how he seems like a guy who will transfer. If ND put him on a medical scholarship when he did not actually have a career threatening/ending injury just to make room for other players, that feels fraudulent to me and against the spirit of the rules. Again, when posters on this board have complained about Bama/OSU/whoever oversigning and running players out it's a bad thing. But when ND is seemingly doing a similar thing it's just what needs to be done.

 

 

Edit: This isn't only about Robertson. It just feels strange that no matter how many players ND is over the scholarship limit they get that EXACT amount of medical scholarships these last few years.

 

People are going to complain no matter what.

 

Do you want to compete with Bama and OSU or not? Dont complain when we get beat by Clemson's and the Georgia's if you dont want to do some of the things it takes to compete with the elites.

 

Make a choice, fans

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People are going to complain no matter what.

 

Do you want to compete with Bama and OSU or not? Dont complain when we get beat by Clemson's and the Georgia's if you dont want to do some of the things it takes to compete with the elites.

 

Make a choice, fans

 

Does it feel like ND is competing with Bama/OSU/Clemson/Georgia?

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