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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Notre Dame CB signee Landen Bartleson has been arrested. He is facing charges of Burglary, Criminal Mischief, and Receiving Stolen Property. Specifically, Landen and 2 others reportedly smashed a window of a gun store and stole weapons.<br><br>Reported by CBS Western Kentucky</p>— Notre Dame Fanpage (@Insidetheirish) <a href="

">January 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IrishBouNDXX?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IrishBouNDXX</a> are here.<br><br>Get to know our mid-year enrollees in their first month under the Dome.<br><br> <a href="

">@VividSeats</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://t.co/rGm8ViBowP">pic.twitter.com/rGm8ViBowP</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“If you come to this podcast, you get the right information!” <a href="

">@CoachBrianKelly</a> & <a href="
">@BrianPolian</a> provide unmatched insight into how the Irish recruit.<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/pnDHilReFc">https://t.co/pnDHilReFc</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IrishBouNDXX?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IrishBouNDXX</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://t.co/PonTzL3WxQ">pic.twitter.com/PonTzL3WxQ</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="
">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Edited by Big23Head
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I did not listen to the recruiting pod cast with Kelly and Polian.

 

My question is why they are telling folks how they recruit? One would think that you would keep as much information as possible confidential.

 

For example, here are some of the things that have come out in the last year or so:

 

1) ND ignoring Florida and focusing on Georgia instead

2) Waiting to make offers until they can time a forty yard dash time themselves

3) Recruiting taller WRs instead of shorter CBs to play CB in college

 

Is there any reason to detail your recruiting strategy/"secrets" to the world?

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I did not listen to the recruiting pod cast with Kelly and Polian.

 

My question is why they are telling folks how they recruit? One would think that you would keep as much information as possible confidential.

 

For example, here are some of the things that have come out in the last year or so:

 

1) ND ignoring Florida and focusing on Georgia instead

2) Waiting to make offers until they can time a forty yard dash time themselves

3) Recruiting taller WRs instead of shorter CBs to play CB in college

 

Is there any reason to detail your recruiting strategy/"secrets" to the world?

 

There are no secrets in this regard. Everybody in college football knows what the other guy is doing. Everyone talks. Everyone shares info. The only thing that matters is whether you're better at it than the other guy. Football is a much more open book than you would believe. It's actually kind of nice in that regard.

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I did not listen to the recruiting pod cast with Kelly and Polian.

 

My question is why they are telling folks how they recruit? One would think that you would keep as much information as possible confidential.

 

For example, here are some of the things that have come out in the last year or so:

 

1) ND ignoring Florida and focusing on Georgia instead

2) Waiting to make offers until they can time a forty yard dash time themselves

3) Recruiting taller WRs instead of shorter CBs to play CB in college

 

Is there any reason to detail your recruiting strategy/"secrets" to the world?

 

If you actually listen to it, you’ll see it’s nothing like you think it is. Way more broad. They aren’t out there hashing out ND secrets to the public.

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If you actually listen to it, you’ll see it’s nothing like you think it is. Way more broad. They aren’t out there hashing out ND secrets to the public.

 

It wasn't just the podcast I was referring to. There have been various pieces of information regarding both recruiting and S&C that have been communicated publically which I think would be better left private to try to retain a competitive advantage.

 

Even the talk about being able to recruit Top 5 if they had a private jet falls into this area.

 

Just go get the jet but do not give interviews about it. No reason to have another school get the notion that they also need a private jet, cancelling out some of the advantage.

 

Kelly talks about how ND has been out in front from a nutritional perspective so that other schools have poached four members of their nutritional staff.

 

If you do not give interviews about it, then maybe other schools do not start nosing around to see what they can learn from ND and who they can hire away.

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It wasn't just the podcast I was referring to. There have been various pieces of information regarding both recruiting and S&C that have been communicated publically which I think would be better left private to try to retain a competitive advantage.

 

Even the talk about being able to recruit Top 5 if they had a private jet falls into this area.

 

Just go get the jet but do not give interviews about it. No reason to have another school get the notion that they also need a private jet, cancelling out some of the advantage.

 

Kelly talks about how ND has been out in front from a nutritional perspective so that other schools have poached four members of their nutritional staff.

 

If you do not give interviews about it, then maybe other schools do not start nosing around to see what they can learn from ND and who they can hire away.

 

It’s a matter of philosophy.

If you are out there giving talks and details about what you are doing and what your research shows you are viewed as an authority. People always want to be around innovators. While you are giving away “trade secrets” and possibly having people get poached, the specific community you are reaching views you as the ‘go-to’ source. Prestige, more people wanting to come work for you and do research for you, even potentially at lower dollar amounts.

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If you're a subscriber to The Athletic, Pete Sampson had a good article related to this over the summer.

 

https://theathletic.com/1078039/2019/07/17/notre-dame-clemson-meeting-playoff/

 

Basically, Notre Dame and Clemson sat down at Notre Dame last March and shared ideas regarding recruiting evaluations, travel and logistics, summer camps, early enrollees, and transfers. It sounds like the meeting was between Dave Peloquin (Director of Player Personnel), Aaryn Kearney (Coordinator of recruiting Operations), and Ron Powlus (Associate AD) and their "Clemson counterparts."

 

Interesting and surprising read - I figured all of these schools worked in secrecy about everything, but it sounds like ND and Clemson shared quite a bit of info during the visit.

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I’ve been privy to some of these things and have friends who are involved. It’s refreshing to see how collegial these guys typically are. Now, I wonder how much of that contributes to some of the inbreeding that recycles failed coaches, at times. How many times do you see failed coaches get hired again and fail yet again...? It always baffles me.

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If you're a subscriber to The Athletic, Pete Sampson had a good article related to this over the summer.

 

https://theathletic.com/1078039/2019/07/17/notre-dame-clemson-meeting-playoff/

 

Basically, Notre Dame and Clemson sat down at Notre Dame last March and shared ideas regarding recruiting evaluations, travel and logistics, summer camps, early enrollees, and transfers. It sounds like the meeting was between Dave Peloquin (Director of Player Personnel), Aaryn Kearney (Coordinator of recruiting Operations), and Ron Powlus (Associate AD) and their "Clemson counterparts."

 

Interesting and surprising read - I figured all of these schools worked in secrecy about everything, but it sounds like ND and Clemson shared quite a bit of info during the visit.

I never really understood why you would sit down with your competition and tell them how you recruit players, just seems strange to me.

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I never really understood why you would sit down with your competition and tell them how you recruit players, just seems strange to me.

 

Very surprising to read. But hey, if Clemson wants to share some of their recruiting secrets with ND, then I'm all for it.

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I think there is a lot a chatter behind the scenes and sharing of info. It is hard not to do with social media and the ease of communication these days. Other schools openly talk about these things too. I also think part of NDs thought process is a very straight forward and up front approach.

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FWIW, my final thoughts on the 2020 class. This is an excellent class and very close to where ND needs to be but now the class size must be 22-24 with excellence. ND needs to land at least one top guy at each position group. Losing Bartleson hurts from a numbers perspective, so hopefully he isn't the one 3 star DB that would have excelled on the field.

 

The average player rating for this class is .9140 after removing LS Alex Peitsch. That is perfect and right where ND needs to be for a year in year out top 8, playoff seeking team. Now they just need to do it with 22-24 players in the class. I think Pryor and Skowronek were excellent additions to this class. Pryor gives you a veteran that played against high level competition. I think NDs scheme will fit him better and I trust Clark Lea. Skowronek produced with ok QB play at NW and not a ton of other weapons around him. He should absolutely be able to help ND this year.

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FWIW, my final thoughts on the 2020 class. This is an excellent class and very close to where ND needs to be but now the class size must be 22-24 with excellence. ND needs to land at least one top guy at each position group. Losing Bartleson hurts from a numbers perspective, so hopefully he isn't the one 3 star DB that would have excelled on the field.

 

The average player rating for this class is .9140 after removing LS Alex Peitsch. That is perfect and right where ND needs to be for a year in year out top 8, playoff seeking team. Now they just need to do it with 22-24 players in the class. I think Prior and Skowronek were excellent additions to this class. Pryor gives you a veteran that played against high level competition. I think NDs scheme will fit him better and I trust Clark Lea. Skowronek produced with ok QB play at NW and not a ton of other weapons around him. He should absolutely be able to help ND this year.

 

Well said Big, and hard to disagree with your thoughts. Kelly's classes average at almost exactly 22 recruits per class with a few outliers. Outside of that, pretty much everything class has been 21-24 kids. If he can continue what he did this year, but like you said continue his average, things will continue to point up.

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Potentially adding another grad transfer to this class

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> has already landed two gradate transfers ahead of the 2020 season.<br><br>The Fighitng Irish are in the mix for a third. <br><br>We’re told he’s close to locking up his visit and a date is just about in place.<br><br>Scoop: <a href="https://t.co/txZ6yvl5UJ">https://t.co/txZ6yvl5UJ</a> (VIP)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IrishIllustrated?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IrishIllustrated</a><a href="

">@247Sports</a> <a href="https://t.co/mRmTxX0NWF">pic.twitter.com/mRmTxX0NWF</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="
">February 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Does this say anything about our current RB situation?

 

There is some buzz that one of the current RBs may be injured. Also, discussion that Armstrong may be more of a WR role this year.

 

Did Trevor play in 2019? Was he injured?

 

Did not play in 2019, believed to be an injury and have 2 years left to play.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> has landed a preferred walk-on commitment from 2020 Fort Wayne WR Griffin Eifert. <a href="https://t.co/EmgYXEnmFB">https://t.co/EmgYXEnmFB</a> <a href="https://t.co/WFQ9TjKM2c">pic.twitter.com/WFQ9TjKM2c</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="

">March 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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