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Athlon June forcast for ND and its opponents

 

Miami--# 23

 

Notre dame # 20

 

Stanford # 17

 

Georgia # 15

 

USC #5

 

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For # 15 Georgia----QB should be better--running game with Sony M & N Chubb should be dynamic---receivers are questionable---defense is good led by the LBs and an experienced secondary---picked to win SEC east

 

For # 17 Stanford---QB coming back from knee injury---strength of the team the OLINE and the Secondary----expected to compete for the pac 12 north with Washington---NOT as effusive a write up as for Georgia

 

For # 23 Miami---7 starters return form a defense that held opponents to 18.5----offense though is questionable --Qb very unsettled , may end up with a true frosh--clearly Defense the story of this team

 

For #5 USC--QB Sam Darnold makes them a Playoff contender--offensive line needs to be completely rebuilt due to graduation. loss of eligibility, NFL & injuries---So question marks there but enough talent and a strong QB makes them the best of this bunch

 

For # 20 Notre Dame---Lost seven games in 2016 by 8 points or less---came out rated #29 in F/+ratings----Wimbush candidate for major breakout season # 45 recruit ready to take charge---RBs excellent--Receivers very good---return of Alzie should be a big help---McGlinchy and Nelson AA candidates anchoring a good OLINE---OFFENSE gets a strong endorsement!

New " STANDOUT" coordinators Elko and Long should contribute to a " QUICK REBOUND" for ND.----Defense has a "solid core of talent" led by Nyles Morgan but clearly is the question mark ,schedule also a problem with ND playing 11 bowl teams.....

 

 

So all in all Athlon sees us as more potential then Domer Domain--:grin:

 

If I wasn't burned out a bit I would see lots of hope in playing only 2 really top teams---and potentially having a very STRONG OFFENSE---and an exceptional DC to squeeze what is possible out of our defense.

 

Its pre-season and as many reasons (almost) to be hopeful then to despair...

 

Offense could be very good---coordinators should change the rhythm we play and bad habits we have had over the last 3 seasons.....

 

Maybe we will surprise ourselves---hey "it could happen"----

 

LOOK FOR GEORGIA to be the early chance to make these coordinators pay off and give this team a real shot at a strong season despite the LITANY of issues we rehash so often...

 

Try and stay positive----ND football is a wonderful thing irrespective of the season to season struggles...

 

Aloha--

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-pre-spring-1-128-team-rankings-2016%3Famp

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/very-early-college-football-top-25-2015

I could go back farther I'm sure and show more of their "ranking". Every year they like us. But this is as low as they have ever had us! Maybe national title run incoming.

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The Georgia game is going to be huge and the tone setter for the entire season ala Texas 2016. I shudder to think about our defense attempting to stop Chubb & Michel but am mildly encouraged by hearing they may have oline issues. Still a strong SEC opponent.

 

For the record, I am withholding all serious predictions for this team until I see what Wimbush and Elko's defense bring to the table. I am very eager to hear camp reports on both here in a couple months.

 

Notre Dame and Kelly really need a big season. Beating Georgia at home in week 2 would set the tone.

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Athlon June forcast for ND and its opponents

 

Miami--# 23

 

Notre dame # 20

 

Stanford # 17

 

Georgia # 15

 

USC #5

 

_______________________

 

 

Comments include

 

For # 15 Georgia----QB should be better--running game with Sony M & N Chubb should be dynamic---receivers are questionable---defense is good led by the LBs and an experienced secondary---picked to win SEC east

 

For # 17 Stanford---QB coming back from knee injury---strength of the team the OLINE and the Secondary----expected to compete for the pac 12 north with Washington---NOT as effusive a write up as for Georgia

 

For # 23 Miami---7 starters return form a defense that held opponents to 18.5----offense though is questionable --Qb very unsettled , may end up with a true frosh--clearly Defense the story of this team

 

For #5 USC--QB Sam Darnold makes them a Playoff contender--offensive line needs to be completely rebuilt due to graduation. loss of eligibility, NFL & injuries---So question marks there but enough talent and a strong QB makes them the best of this bunch

 

For # 20 Notre Dame---Lost seven games in 2016 by 8 points or less---came out rated #29 in F/+ratings----Wimbush candidate for major breakout season # 45 recruit ready to take charge---RBs excellent--Receivers very good---return of Alzie should be a big help---McGlinchy and Nelson AA candidates anchoring a good OLINE---OFFENSE gets a strong endorsement!

New " STANDOUT" coordinators Elko and Long should contribute to a " QUICK REBOUND" for ND.----Defense has a "solid core of talent" led by Nyles Morgan but clearly is the question mark ,schedule also a problem with ND playing 11 bowl teams.....

 

 

So all in all Athlon sees us as more potential then Domer Domain--:grin:

 

If I wasn't burned out a bit I would see lots of hope in playing only 2 really top teams---and potentially having a very STRONG OFFENSE---and an exceptional DC to squeeze what is possible out of our defense.

 

Its pre-season and as many reasons (almost) to be hopeful then to despair...

 

Offense could be very good---coordinators should change the rhythm we play and bad habits we have had over the last 3 seasons.....

 

Maybe we will surprise ourselves---hey "it could happen"----

 

LOOK FOR GEORGIA to be the early chance to make these coordinators pay off and give this team a real shot at a strong season despite the LITANY of issues we rehash so often...

 

Try and stay positive----ND football is a wonderful thing irrespective of the season to season struggles...

 

Aloha--

 

Thanks Hawaii! Nice to discuss ND football for once. Was losing Faith in Domer Domain.

 

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Its true Athlon ranks us high often, but then we normally have a roster that gets us ranked by most everyone--last year the BIG POLLS had us at 10ish.....

 

Nonetheless----They make a rationale case--- we have a lot of potential POP on offense---if Wimbush is the real deal he has PLENTY of talent and big time "potential" stars surrounding him on offense.

 

I think its also NOTEWORTHY , that its been YEARS & YEARS since anyone could evaluate our team by saying " we have hired TWO STANDOUT coordinators" ====you really have to go back a long way to make that statement credible.

 

IF / That's IF / Kelly truly delegates and these guys really are STANDOUTS , we could see some very positive effects from the get go....

 

Did ANYONE really call BVG a standout coordinator? NO---indeed he was in the abyss of NFL LB coaching---all he really had was kellys friendship....

 

Weis and TY were a mess at both spots DC and OC ---in fact Weis like Kelly wanted figureheads as OC and suffered for it

 

You have to go back FAAAAAR to find two coordinators running NDs offense and defense that would be called standouts

 

Diaco was called a standout DC but that was after 2012 not coming in== though he certainly was a HGYTLOAD better then BVG....

 

So I put lots of hopes on these two coaches to get MORE out of the roster then we have been getting .

 

It should be exciting to see what they bring to the table

 

aloha

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Why does the U get so much hype EVERY year? Christ, even last year's ND team beat them and they lost Kaaya at QB.

 

Probably because they still hung an average of 45 points against teams they were supposed to easily beat on paper...

 

We should have 50-60 against some of the teams we play but that will def not happen with Spanky at the helm...

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Probably because they still hung an average of 45 points against teams they were supposed to easily beat on paper...

 

We should have 50-60 against some of the teams we play but that will def not happen with Spanky at the helm...

 

This comment makes no sense. The U has been overrated going back to when Randy Shannon was HC. If I recall, people thought JaCory Harris would win the Heisman.

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This comment makes no sense. The U has been overrated going back to when Randy Shannon was HC. If I recall, people thought JaCory Harris would win the Heisman.

 

Look at the scores. It makes a lot of sense. So they're overrated yet they can beat the bricks off of teams that are outmatched? Why can't we? Either UM is overrated or we are too....

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Probably because they still hung an average of 45 points against teams they were supposed to easily beat on paper...

 

We should have 50-60 against some of the teams we play but that will def not happen with Spanky at the helm...

 

They only got over 45 vs Florida AM, Appalachian st and Pitt. Last time ND played a team even close to the first two, they scored 62 on UMass. Even in a 4-8 year, ND averaged 45 against the three worst teams they played.

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Probably because they still hung an average of 45 points against teams they were supposed to easily beat on paper...

 

We should have 50-60 against some of the teams we play but that will def not happen with Spanky at the helm...

 

How many times did we have 28 in the first half this year only to freeze up and lose or nearly lose?

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To think Athlon is trying to "boost" magazine sales by ranking ND at 20 is a reach too far.....

 

Sure you put Brady Quinn of the cover of SI to sell---yea

 

But ranking a 4/8 team with no NC potential at a lowly 20 in order to "CASH IN BIG " with ND fans is ridiculous. Does anybody even buy magazines anymore?

 

Why didn't sporting news do the same thing , why leave "ALL THAT MONEY" on the table when just squeezing us in at 25 would pay off???

 

Why because that's not an issue---there is NO payoff for the Athlon poll

 

Indeed its quite reasonable speculation---I think we have been top 25 most of the last 6 seasons----we were playoff contenders in 2016---our TEAM recruiting rankings would easily be 20 or higher over the last 5 years,,,,

 

Give it a break---not everyone expects us to be garbage in 2017---we have issues and we've tried some fixes---we have a pretty good roster even if it isn't top 10---we have tons of offensive potential --College Football News has us at 27 based on lots of offensive talent and what they think will be one the best OLINES in the country......

 

Now CFN they rank 130 teams and absolutely did not see any profit from slipping us in at a meager 27---

 

There are good reasons to expect ND to be the most improved football team in the country with the bar set so low from last season....

 

lets try and keep an open mind for the sake of the kids (players) even if there is anger and/or contempt for the coach....

 

new year means new season----

 

aloha

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I thought ND wasnt relevant anymore as so many posters like to point out? How does that sell mags if true?

 

I love ND and IMO they are relevant. However I'd bet my life on the fact that when they put that together. There was a conversation at athelon that said ND fans will buy the s*it out of this because they will be very excited and nd haters will buy this because they won't believe why we think Nd will turn it around.

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To think Athlon is trying to "boost" magazine sales by ranking ND at 20 is a reach too far.....

 

Sure you put Brady Quinn of the cover of SI to sell---yea

 

But ranking a 4/8 team with no NC potential at a lowly 20 in order to "CASH IN BIG " with ND fans is ridiculous. Does anybody even buy magazines anymore?

 

Why didn't sporting news do the same thing , why leave "ALL THAT MONEY" on the table when just squeezing us in at 25 would pay off???

 

Why because that's not an issue---there is NO payoff for the Athlon poll

 

Indeed its quite reasonable speculation---I think we have been top 25 most of the last 6 seasons----we were playoff contenders in 2016---our TEAM recruiting rankings would easily be 20 or higher over the last 5 years,,,,

 

Give it a break---not everyone expects us to be garbage in 2017---we have issues and we've tried some fixes---we have a pretty good roster even if it isn't top 10---we have tons of offensive potential --College Football News has us at 27 based on lots of offensive talent and what they think will be one the best OLINES in the country......

 

Now CFN they rank 130 teams and absolutely did not see any profit from slipping us in at a meager 27---

 

There are good reasons to expect ND to be the most improved football team in the country with the bar set so low from last season....

 

lets try and keep an open mind for the sake of the kids (players) even if there is anger and/or contempt for the coach....

 

new year means new season----

 

aloha

I would buy this if the admin actually cared. They throw money at a mediocre coach to help save face for Swarbrick. They soak the fan base for every penny they can. We're dumb enough to say can I give you more money?

 

ND has turned its back on what made it great and sold its soul for the dollar. Like watching the longest funeral procession in history. Eventually they will bury it.http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/pou_7153.png

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I love ND and IMO they are relevant. However I'd bet my life on the fact that when they put that together. There was a conversation at athelon that said ND fans will buy the s*it out of this because they will be very excited and nd haters will buy this because they won't believe why we think Nd will turn it around.

 

For the record, I want and expect ND to do well every year.

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I love ND and IMO they are relevant. However I'd bet my life on the fact that when they put that together. There was a conversation at athelon that said ND fans will buy the s*it out of this because they will be very excited and nd haters will buy this because they won't believe why we think Nd will turn it around.

 

If that was the case they would likely have been more bullish than 20 right? Who's buying an Athelon because ND is ranked 20? That makes almost no sense. Texas at 13? Yeah that's more in line with your logic, not Notre Dame at 20.

 

Look, if you're an advanced metrics guy, the S&P+ had us as a top 25 team last year despite going 4-8. It was a perfect storm of trash and if you had played that season out a 100 times there is no way we'd go 4-8 again. I still don't understand how we lost to Duke. That first half against Sparty was mind numbing, looking back it just doesn't compute how that first half happened. This team can easily go 8-4/9-3, which puts them in that 20 range right?

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Sam Darnild is getting that typical USC over hyped status. There is nothing magical about him.

 

 

I don't know, for a guy who didn't play much the first three games-only 22 passes thrown- he ended the year pretty highly ranked in three key categories.

 

#9 passing efficiency

#13 passing TD's

#36 Passing Yards

 

It will be interesting to see how he does only having only one returning starting receiver- Deontay Burnett - back. They are loaded with highly regarded prospects, but they are inexperienced.

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I thought ND wasnt relevant anymore as so many posters like to point out? How does that sell mags if true?

 

ND is not relevant in terms of winning a national championship. They don't recruit, develop or coach at the level of Bama, Clemson or OSU. The Irish fan base keeps them relative as far as the media goes.

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ND is not relevant in terms of winning a national championship. They don't recruit, develop or coach at the level of Bama, Clemson or OSU. The Irish fan base keeps them relative as far as the media goes.

 

ND does recruit at the level of Clemson.

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