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This is a topic that is being debated on a couple of the premie boards. Football is a blue collar, violent game and demands those type of blue collar people. Notre Dame is the antithesis of this. White collar, upper crust elite, etc.

 

Can you explain more what people are saying about this opinion?

 

Not all the kids coming to play football or "upper crust elite"

 

Also not sure there is much credence to this though but we will see what others think.

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While I realize Notre Dame is tough to get into, I always thought it had the image of a blue collar work hard get there kind of school.

 

Just because a kid needs to be able to spell his or her name to sign financial aid does not make the school too elite or upper crust.

 

Sounds a little contrived to me.

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that sentiment has been around awhile. I think its illogical due to the fallacy of over-generalization. This debate probably was brought back by the Premiere of the U2 about Miami 30-30 on ESPN

 

Pinkett also made waves some time ago with his "criminals comment"

 

As PT points out the notion wrongly assumes all ND is of one socioeconomic status and therefore is illogical.

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that sentiment has been around awhile. I think its illogical due to the fallacy of over-generalization. This debate probably was brought back by the Premiere of the U2 about Miami 30-30 on ESPN

 

Pinkett also made waves some time ago with his "criminals comment"

 

As PT points out the notion wrongly assumes all ND is of one socioeconomic status and therefore is illogical.

 

Yeah I remember watching that and hearing a couple of those guys saying how that didn't want anybody who wanted to he a banker or a lawyer on their team. Only tough blue collar guys. And I'm thinking well that is Notre Dame after Holtz right there. No wonder they get slaughtered by tough teams.

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While I realize Notre Dame is tough to get into, I always thought it had the image of a blue collar work hard get there kind of school.

 

Not really. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I probably wouldn't have gotten into ND if my mom, grandpa, aunt, uncle, and cousin hadn't all gone there as well. A large percentage of ND students were legacy admissions like me.

 

Even among those who don't come from a family of ND graduates, most are from wealthy families and attended Catholic high schools with a solid academic reputation.

 

"Blue collar" students are still relatively rare, however the administration, to their credit, has made some honest efforts to change that in recent years.

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I think every fanbase that find their team struggling feel the solution is getting some meatheads and the three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. I don't see Oregon as blue collar.

 

Another thing, if our players are so smart while other schools take the dumbest kids around, why is it our players need four years to learn the schemes and plays we run?

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Another thing, if our players are so smart while other schools take the dumbest kids around, why is it our players need four years to learn the schemes and plays we run?

I've been saying this for years.

 

Meanwhile we mock the "dummies" at basically every other school but Stanford and a lot of those teams have Frosh playing all over the field.

 

Hint:it's the scheme

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This is a topic that is being debated on a couple of the premie boards. Football is a blue collar, violent game and demands those type of blue collar people. Notre Dame is the antithesis of this. White collar, upper crust elite, etc.

 

Here's the real issue with this: Not one player on Bama or FSU has any wish to ever be considered "blue collar." They are there to play football and get into the NFL and drive a Mercedes etc.

 

This isn't to say that the fact that ND kids are actually going to class hurts there training for football, but it definitely isn't a white collar/blue collar thing.

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Here's the real issue with this: Not one player on Bama or FSU has any wish to ever be considered "blue collar." They are there to play football and get into the NFL and drive a Mercedes etc.

 

This isn't to say that the fact that ND kids are actually going to class hurts there training for football, but it definitely isn't a white collar/blue collar thing.

 

Their entire lives are blue collar. They grew up in poor, tough neighborhoods.

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I think every fanbase that find their team struggling feel the solution is getting some meatheads and the three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. I don't see Oregon as blue collar.

 

Another thing, if our players are so smart while other schools take the dumbest kids around, why is it our players need four years to learn the schemes and plays we run?

 

+10000. How in the eff does this repeatedly happen?

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This is a topic that is being debated on a couple of the premie boards. Football is a blue collar, violent game and demands those type of blue collar people. Notre Dame is the antithesis of this. White collar, upper crust elite, etc.

BKs pass happy offense while distancing himself from the powerful running game and mauling OLmen that holtz had at ND would suggest yes ND is not blue collar.

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Just **** poor excuse. You can be smart and tough. Dumber people aren't necessarily tougher.

 

Stanford's been tough for 10 years.

 

Notre Dame has been tough in the past. Navy plays tough with miniature players.

 

The school has nothing to do with it. It's whether the program instills toughness or not. Would love for ND to run the ball more and play tougher D. That's on the coaches. Play calling on offense has been bad under Kelly. We need a real offensive coordinator.

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Just **** poor excuse. You can be smart and tough. Dumber people aren't necessarily tougher.

 

Stanford's been tough for 10 years.

 

Notre Dame has been tough in the past. Navy plays tough with miniature players.

 

The school has nothing to do with it. It's whether the program instills toughness or not. Would love for ND to run the ball more and play tougher D. That's on the coaches. Play calling on offense has been bad under Kelly. We need a real offensive coordinator.

 

Thank you. This ^^^^^^. Well stated.

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This whole concept just doesn't make sense. Rivals, ESPN, and Scout rating of recruits in high school doesn't take in to account where these recruits might go. Until they sign, no one knows. Notre Dame has done well in recruiting, consistently ranking pretty high, getting some of these 4 and 5 star players...often close or in the top ten. It's coaching fellas, not the players.

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This whole concept just doesn't make sense. Rivals, ESPN, and Scout rating of recruits in high school doesn't take in to account where these recruits might go. Until they sign, no one knows. Notre Dame has done well in recruiting, consistently ranking pretty high, getting some of these 4 and 5 star players...often close or in the top ten. It's coaching fellas, not the players.

 

nice post.

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There is some truth to this...

 

Randy Moss said in Rand University that he learned how to talk trash at FSU. I don't see ND players doing this. When you watch The U and U2 you can definitely see how they were rabid dogs on a chain leash. Haven't had that feeling about ND since the Holtz era and fight in the tunnel. Teams also don't get scared/intimidated to play at our country club stadium / fans. This has an effect on the mental aspect of the game.

 

But that may account for 10%. The other 90% is recruiting, coaching and execution which will win us way more games than the above.

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