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The quality of this board is at an all-time low.

 

I understand that as fans, this is our escape hatch, our way to take 4 hours out of the week and be crazy lunatics. And I understand that we want to see our boys play perfectly each and every week because we care.

 

But I've never seen a greater bunch of fair-weather, sappy, **** and vinegar CRYBABIES than the influx of doom and gloom this board has undergone in the past month.

 

After a season where we got to see our team play for a national championship, some of you are already murmuring that Kelly may need to go, or that hopefully he takes an NFL job. After a season where the defense was historically good, we bury TEENAGERS playing their a$$es off on the field in new roles, sometimes at new positions, because they don't play like Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis in their first regular action. To not expect a severe drop-off from the defense (and I'm guilty of it myself) was a mistake. And we're seeing how the learning curve can be steep, especially when new players are replacing ND legends.

 

But I will not tolerate the GLEE that some members seem to take in ND's struggles. It's as if they enjoy being pessimistic about the Irish and point out every single mistake made, or every weakness transparent, without realizing just how far the football program has come in the past four years. And if you don't admit that the program is far and away a lot better off than it was during Weis' last season, you're either a.) stupid or b.) willfully blind.

 

The nickname of the team we root for is the FIGHTING IRISH. Adversity is a part of anything in life, and every football program goes through it. We're stuck with Tommy Rees as our quarterback -- as a result of Golson being selfish, Kelly being shortsighted, or whoever you want to blame -- and instead of bearing down and FIGHTING through the season, some of you are throwing up the white flag and giving up. It's disgusting.

 

Be disappointed, and express that disappointment. Be upset at losses that you think should be wins. But don't take joy in pointing out ND's faults -- GTFO of here with that.

 

I'm glad I'm not in foxholes with some of you guys. This season is just over a quarter done, with the toughest part behind us, and some are already saying that it's over. Kelly should be gone. Rees should be tarred and feathered. We'll never win again.

 

FIGHT. When times get tough, you have two choices: give up, or fight like hell. Some of you turned tail and ran after the Michigan game, and more of you look to be doing the same after yesterday. I say good riddance. The board doesn't need you, the fanbase doesn't need you, and the team certainly doesn't.

 

On to Arizona State. Go Irish.

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The quality of this board is at an all-time low.

 

I understand that as fans, this is our escape hatch, our way to take 4 hours out of the week and be crazy lunatics. And I understand that we want to see our boys play perfectly each and every week because we care.

 

But I've never seen a greater bunch of fair-weather, sappy, **** and vinegar CRYBABIES than the influx of doom and gloom this board has undergone in the past month.

 

After a season where we got to see our team play for a national championship, some of you are already murmuring that Kelly may need to go, or that hopefully he takes an NFL job. After a season where the defense was historically good, we bury TEENAGERS playing their a$$es off on the field in new roles, sometimes at new positions, because they don't play like Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis in their first regular action. To not expect a severe drop-off from the defense (and I'm guilty of it myself) was a mistake. And we're seeing how the learning curve can be steep, especially when new players are replacing ND legends.

 

But I will not tolerate the GLEE that some members seem to take in ND's struggles. It's as if they enjoy being pessimistic about the Irish and point out every single mistake made, or every weakness transparent, without realizing just how far the football program has come in the past four years. And if you don't admit that the program is far and away a lot better off than it was during Weis' last season, you're either a.) stupid or b.) willfully blind.

 

The nickname of the team we root for is the FIGHTING IRISH. Adversity is a part of anything in life, and every football program goes through it. We're stuck with Tommy Rees as our quarterback -- as a result of Golson being selfish, Kelly being shortsighted, or whoever you want to blame -- and instead of bearing down and FIGHTING through the season, some of you are throwing up the white flag and giving up. It's disgusting.

 

Be disappointed, and express that disappointment. Be upset at losses that you think should be wins. But don't take joy in pointing out ND's faults -- GTFO of here with that.

 

I'm glad I'm not in foxholes with some of you guys. This season is just over a quarter done, with the toughest part behind us, and some are already saying that it's over. Kelly should be gone. Rees should be tarred and feathered. We'll never win again.

 

FIGHT. When times get tough, you have two choices: give up, or fight like hell. Some of you turned tail and ran after the Michigan game, and more of you look to be doing the same after yesterday. I say good riddance. The board doesn't need you, the fanbase doesn't need you, and the team certainly doesn't.

 

On to Arizona State. Go Irish.

 

Sure. The problem is if powers that be make terrible personnel decisions. I thought this crap left with Weis. Again, this isn't about the QB position. Rees is the best throwing player we have. Not saying much but that's the reality.

 

There are two areas in offense, rushing and passing. We have play makers on offense. We do. GAIII, TJ, Daniels, and Folston (very clear now), and maybe Bryant if the kid got a shot. For our RBs, you can hand the ball off, easy way to get them the ball. For our WRs, you need someone decent at throwing. Hendrix sucks at throwing and is more athletic than Tommy but is not a great runner. We have very talented runners. Why let a less talented runner run with the ball when you can use a talented one. It makes most sense to use the teams strengths and don't scheme your team into failure.

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The sad part is that the people who this is talking about probably will not respond to it or they will make some cheeky remark on again... how Notre Dame sucks at life. I have been saying that some of the posters almost want ND to fail so they can be proven right in the forums. This post just puts everything in better perspective. I will subscribe to this thread in hopes that the people this is talking about respond, and if they do, respond with some intelligence.

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I have been saying that some of the posters almost want ND to fail so they can be proven right in the forums.

 

That's what I've been noticing -- posters almost wanting ND to fail, and taking satisfaction when they lose games.

 

These team is on pace, at the moment, to win between 7-9 games. But at the moment there's threads saying that we won't be able to compete with Navy, Air Force, etc. - and that's just a complete joke.

 

The team has to get up off the mat and win next week. I wish more posters would pull themselves off the canvas, too.

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Personally I'm giving Kelly a mulligan this year due to the bad luck he's had losing a guy like Golson on top of losing a lot of talent from the prior season. He's won everywhere he's been and took us th the title game last year.

 

Defense hasn't been great but its hard to have a great defense every year. Even the mighty SEC is having a hard time playing good D this year.

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Funny how some of the people who are chastised for their realistic approach are some of the most level headed optimistic posters as of late ;)

 

While, I'm not thoroughly enjoying this season, I am able to see that we're a few personnel (coaches - NOT head, and players) away from really doing some special things...

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Funny how some of the people who are chastised for their realistic approach are some of the most level headed optimistic posters as of late ;)

 

While, I'm not thoroughly enjoying this season, I am able to see that we're a few personnel (coaches - NOT head, and players) away from really doing some special things...

 

Agreed. This team got over a big hump last year, and then suffered some pretty big losses in the offseason that have directly impacted this year.

 

But the short-sightedness of the board makes me so very thankful that the NDNation crowd doesn't make decisions about the ND football program, despite that group's over-inflated feeling of self-worth and importance.

 

Swarbrick doesn't give a $hit about NDNation-types (who have seemingly migrated towards this board), and their pissing and moaning makes zero difference. Kelly brought this program out of the stone age, and while this year is a setback, it's about to MAJORLY turn the corner (and would have if Golson was still enrolled, in my opinion).

 

Some of you need to push back from the keyboard and take a big step. If you're going to whine about how you think this team should win every game they suit up for by 90+ points, you're being unrealistic. Hike up the skirts, take the adversity on the chin, and keep moving forward. That's what the ND program will be doing, so you should jump onboard.

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Funny how some of the people who are chastised for their realistic approach are some of the most level headed optimistic posters as of late ;)

 

While, I'm not thoroughly enjoying this season, I am able to see that we're a few personnel (coaches - NOT head, and players) away from really doing some special things...

what coaching changes would you propose, jeff?? just curious, not being a dick....

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I appreciate trying to be level headed in the face of adversity--

 

But caution is advised even for the level headed--:grin:

 

If the play we have seen this season continues, we are likely to sink MUCH LOWER then where we are now---

 

I really DOUBT threads with a don't go overboard with doom and gloom can survive too much more of this and too many more losses--

 

Remember ASU & USC are coming up in prompt fashion--its unfortunately very possible things will look MUCH worse before they get MUCH better!

 

Time will Tell-- Irrespective of what we say on our little board

 

 

 

aloha's go irish!

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what coaching changes would you propose, jeff?? just curious, not being a dick....

 

Special teams. Scott Booker needs to go. Now. We're making NO progress in fixing glaring deficiencies.

 

Linebacker coach (and/or Defensive coordinator). Either Diaco needs to focus on this specifically or turn over the reigns to someone who can.

 

Chuck Martin. Either he needs a lesson in O.C. 101 or he needs to go. I cannot stand the play calling this year.

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Special teams. Scott Booker needs to go. Now. We're making NO progress in fixing glaring deficiencies.

 

Linebacker coach (and/or Defensive coordinator). Either Diaco needs to focus on this specifically or turn over the reigns to someone who can.

 

Chuck Martin. Either he needs a lesson in O.C. 101 or he needs to go. I cannot stand the play calling this year.

 

I actually think Chuck is a good coach....but should be moved to defense. He played safety in college and I believe he would just be more comfortable there. Kelly likes to put people out of their comfort level, like moving Alford to slots/receivers, but that's not always the best thing to do.

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Agreed. This team got over a big hump last year, and then suffered some pretty big losses in the offseason that have directly impacted this year.

 

But the short-sightedness of the board makes me so very thankful that the NDNation crowd doesn't make decisions about the ND football program, despite that group's over-inflated feeling of self-worth and importance.

 

Swarbrick doesn't give a $hit about NDNation-types (who have seemingly migrated towards this board), and their pissing and moaning makes zero difference. Kelly brought this program out of the stone age, and while this year is a setback, it's about to MAJORLY turn the corner (and would have if Golson was still enrolled, in my opinion).

 

Some of you need to push back from the keyboard and take a big step. If you're going to whine about how you think this team should win every game they suit up for by 90+ points, you're being unrealistic. Hike up the skirts, take the adversity on the chin, and keep moving forward. That's what the ND program will be doing, so you should jump onboard.

 

Yep. It's amazing how fine the line is between boom or bust. If Everett simply did not commit an academic violation we'd be sitting at 5-0 right now (MAYBE 4-1 but I think we win both) and on our way. Even with the defensive struggles. One player at one position.

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Special teams. Scott Booker needs to go. Now. We're making NO progress in fixing glaring deficiencies.

 

Linebacker coach (and/or Defensive coordinator). Either Diaco needs to focus on this specifically or turn over the reigns to someone who can.

 

Chuck Martin. Either he needs a lesson in O.C. 101 or he needs to go. I cannot stand the play calling this year.

+1,000,000,000..............thank you

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You are really complaining about complaining Katzen. You yourself have not said anything instructive.

 

"Oh my gosh, I can not take this negative behavior... I mean come on guys we had an undefeated season last year, let's give this whole coaching staff a pass for this year and next and maybe another year so long as they turn it around eventually"

 

While I am exaggerating your remarks, this is basically what you are implying. Need I remind you, it's year 4.

 

Stop being a loser. We suck, there aren't many ways to sugar coat it, and I bet the coaches really aren't sugar coating it in the film sessions and practice.

 

Am I a fair weather fan? You betcha! Haven't missed a telecast/game since the early 00's when we played Rutgers away.

 

I feel that since I am emotionally involved in my favorite sports team, I get to bitch when we output a terrible football team with no good excuse as to why... We have a 4th year QB, a veteran WR, plenty of skill behind him. We have some experience at RB, and an offensive line with some starts under their belt. We also return a solid defensive unit from last year.

 

We were fed a line that BK would develop our players like no other program in the country because he could take a bunch of rag tag 3* at UC to a BCS bowl game and an undefeated season.

 

Here it is year four and it appears that our players are unprepared schematically and maybe even slightly underdeveloped from a fundamentals standpoint when you compare it to most Irish fan's expectations.

 

Just because posters on here b!tch and moan, doesn't mean they have thrown in the towel. Not everyone on here has the same viewpoint as you, and you need to learn to take that in stride. We all come from different backgrounds and started rooting for Notre Dame at different points in our life.

 

You and other "Peachy Rainbow" folk on here need to get your panties out of a wod and understand there is going to be some disappointment when many of us are led to finally believe that we have a coach who is going to take us out of the dark ages only to realize that we still may be in here for a while.

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You are really complaining about complaining Katzen. You yourself have not said anything instructive.

 

"Oh my gosh, I can not take this negative behavior... I mean come on guys we had an undefeated season last year, let's give this whole coaching staff a pass for this year and next and maybe another year so long as they turn it around eventually"

 

While I am exaggerating your remarks, this is basically what you are implying. Need I remind you, it's year 4.

 

Stop being a loser. We suck, there aren't many ways to sugar coat it, and I bet the coaches really aren't sugar coating it in the film sessions and practice.

 

Am I a fair weather fan? You betcha! Haven't missed a telecast/game since the early 00's when we played Rutgers away.

 

I feel that since I am emotionally involved in my favorite sports team, I get to bitch when we output a terrible football team with no good excuse as to why... We have a 4th year QB, a veteran WR, plenty of skill behind him. We have some experience at RB, and an offensive line with some starts under their belt. We also return a solid defensive unit from last year.

 

We were fed a line that BK would develop our players like no other program in the country because he could take a bunch of rag tag 3* at UC to a BCS bowl game and an undefeated season.

 

Here it is year four and it appears that our players are unprepared schematically and maybe even slightly underdeveloped from a fundamentals standpoint when you compare it to most Irish fan's expectations.

 

Just because posters on here b!tch and moan, doesn't mean they have thrown in the towel. Not everyone on here has the same viewpoint as you, and you need to learn to take that in stride. We all come from different backgrounds and started rooting for Notre Dame at different points in our life.

 

You and other "Peachy Rainbow" folk on here need to get your panties out of a wod and understand there is going to be some disappointment when many of us are led to finally believe that we have a coach who is going to take us out of the dark ages only to realize that we still may be in here for a while.

 

I agree. It's my team and I will Bitch if i want. This team is not good, with or without Golson. The D is playing slow and lost against any QB who can move.

I, in no way am throwing in the towel, but losing a few good players is what college football is all about. We were 12-0 and now we are mediocre.

 

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but didn't Alabama lose a couple of key players last year, and the year before and the year before? We need the next man in to step up and grow a pair. #9 is my favorite player on D. Makes mistakes, but with passion.

 

Our MLBs are horrible and they are killing our DLine. They can block Nix with 5 guys and we can't stop the run.

 

Ok. I vented some. Feeling better for now.....

Go Irish Beat ASU :kev:

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You are really complaining about complaining Katzen. You yourself have not said anything instructive.

 

"Oh my gosh, I can not take this negative behavior... I mean come on guys we had an undefeated season last year, let's give this whole coaching staff a pass for this year and next and maybe another year so long as they turn it around eventually"

 

While I am exaggerating your remarks, this is basically what you are implying. Need I remind you, it's year 4.

 

Stop being a loser. We suck, there aren't many ways to sugar coat it, and I bet the coaches really aren't sugar coating it in the film sessions and practice.

 

Am I a fair weather fan? You betcha! Haven't missed a telecast/game since the early 00's when we played Rutgers away.

 

I feel that since I am emotionally involved in my favorite sports team, I get to bitch when we output a terrible football team with no good excuse as to why... We have a 4th year QB, a veteran WR, plenty of skill behind him. We have some experience at RB, and an offensive line with some starts under their belt. We also return a solid defensive unit from last year.

 

We were fed a line that BK would develop our players like no other program in the country because he could take a bunch of rag tag 3* at UC to a BCS bowl game and an undefeated season.

 

Here it is year four and it appears that our players are unprepared schematically and maybe even slightly underdeveloped from a fundamentals standpoint when you compare it to most Irish fan's expectations.

 

Just because posters on here b!tch and moan, doesn't mean they have thrown in the towel. Not everyone on here has the same viewpoint as you, and you need to learn to take that in stride. We all come from different backgrounds and started rooting for Notre Dame at different points in our life.

 

You and other "Peachy Rainbow" folk on here need to get your panties out of a wod and understand there is going to be some disappointment when many of us are led to finally believe that we have a coach who is going to take us out of the dark ages only to realize that we still may be in here for a while.

 

I could have sworn it was you and your fellow moaners who were the ones that had your panties in a "wad." I think the definition of the phrase fits your kind much more accurately than the "Peachy Rainbow folk."

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I could have sworn it was you and your fellow moaners who were the ones that had your panties in a "wad." I think the definition of the phrase fits your kind much more accurately than the "Peachy Rainbow folk."

 

It's clear there are two basic camps here, with several posters in between and maybe even some that have jumped back and forth.

 

I'm not the one who started a thread asking all of the people in the "it's going to get better somehow someway" camp to put down their pom poms and look at the actual facts in front of us.

 

Someone from your camp went on and on about how we are fair weather fans because our opinions aren't the same as yours.

 

If you guys want to play cheerleader, go ahead. I genuinely appreciate it.

 

It's a freakin message board. We relay messages. If you don't like what some people are saying, you don't have to respond.

 

I'm very sure as soon as we move onto next season and are not playing with a third string QB, I'll look back at this and realize I was an idiot, but for now, I'm going to complain about how bad we suck and how poorly our coach is managing our football team.

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Stop being a loser. ...

 

Just because posters on here b!tch and moan, doesn't mean they have thrown in the towel. Not everyone on here has the same viewpoint as you, and you need to learn to take that in stride. We all come from different backgrounds and started rooting for Notre Dame at different points in our life.

 

You and other "Peachy Rainbow" folk on here need to get your panties out of a wod and understand there is going to be some disappointment when many of us are led to finally believe that we have a coach who is going to take us out of the dark ages only to realize that we still may be in here for a while.

 

I don't think any of us mind the bitching about the lack of player leadership or coaching adjustments... but it is the character sniping at fellow fans and players that really grates on me.

 

None of us have panties in a wod, but you sure do have a huge stick up your ***.

 

I threw in my snipe to make a point - I didn't add anything to the conversation, and just escalated the contention on the board of supposed fans.

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