Jump to content

What do you watch everyday that is socialism at its finest?


scintrigue
 Share

Recommended Posts

well comrade... I am not really satisfied by those answers.

 

so you are right, alot is determined by your surroundings... and that boils down to the fact that life is not fair. The right to an education is not the same as "an education". you cannot make people get educated. Some people are born smarter, faster, prettier, than others... d'ems da breaks...

Some people are smart enough to value their childs education, some aren't.

in my opinion, the only kids who the US should be in charge of educating are the wards of the state.

 

and #2, you are going to have to forgive me for not "being happy" about how much of my own money the government deigns to let me keep. im sorry, but i find that point of view really disturbing.

 

How much of my income do you believe you (again, the royal you) are entitled to?

 

Would you suggest that i bring my standard of living down? would you enforce that?

 

When do i get the right to say no? that is more than i want to give? do you care if i say no?

 

1. Your right life is not fair. I do not understand your second part as far as education. I have been saying that it should be everyones opportunity to receive a higher education, after that its on them. It they choose not to take the opportunity its on them. The option should be available.

 

2. Your right some parents are responsibile with their childrens education as I am sure both you and I will be. However, this is not the case in a lot of situations and it is not the childs fault. I mean if the parent was not EDUCATED enough to provide their child with one why should they even have it according to your rules. Because they are set for failure from day one, but thats not your fault right? Of course not! But being a conservative I imagine you are pro-life and wish everyone an opportunity as do I, and am pro-choice for diff. reasons. However, my point is if you do not want to give children the opportunity to succeed even though that they are already 10 steps back from the next kid why even have the kid for your tax burdens to being with?

 

3. Of course not. But if you would like theres many tax-free countries I am sure you would not enjoy them though. My point is you already pay taxes for things that you do not need nor benefit from. You would benefit from a more educated society, so why not use your tax money for that instead of something you or the country will not benefit from.

 

Now to your questions.

 

1. A decent amount to where you can still enjoy life and the fruits of your labor, while contributing to the country that provides that for you.

 

2.Your standard of living is independent of someone elses. I was refering to the overall American standard of living, which financially is still the highest in the world by a long shot.

 

3. I do not make the laws. You would be suprised what I feel about taxes. In fact, I think the fair tax proposed by conservatives is a very just way to pay for taxes. I do not like the current system at all! I just want the fair tax or whatever tax to pay for things for the betterment of the country. The two most important things in the world are

 

1. Health

2. Education

 

Everything else will follow.

Edited by cjdomer04
fixed quote
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 78
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

A decent amount to where you can still enjoy life and the fruits of your labor, while contributing to the country that provides that for you.

 

I will begin by stating that mother country does not "provide" for me. this is again a perverse notion that you have picked up from who-knows-where.

 

Your standard of living is independent of someone elses. I was refering to the overall American standard of living, which financially is still the highest in the world by a long shot.

 

Every penny you take from me in taxes subtracts from my standard of living.

 

Your answers are awfully reliant on the benevolent wielding of federal power...

 

We both know that this is a pipe dream. look at the "social" programs in the federal gov today, medicare, social security, Dept of education, the VA... all are spectacular failures in terms of services provided, wasteful spending, and out right fraud.

This does not touch on the examples we have of nations who have embraced that type of communal thinking. the standards of living recede, power becomes concentrated, economies stagnate... this is a pattern which occured to the soviets, cubans ect... is now happening to some of the europeans.

 

I do not make the laws. You would be suprised what I feel about taxes. In fact, I think the fair tax proposed by conservatives is a very just way to pay for taxes. I do not like the current system at all! I just want the fair tax or whatever tax to pay for things for the betterment of the country. The two most important things in the world are

 

1. Health

2. Education

 

As important as they are, we have a constitution, it doesnt mention either. until you use the rightful means of government (ammendment process) to change that inconvenient fact i would ask you confine yourself to the rules we have.

the role of the government isnt to "provide" for us... it is an impartial arbiter, a collective defense against those who would take from us what we have.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1. Your right life is not fair. I do not understand your second part as far as education. I have been saying that it should be everyones opportunity to receive a higher education, after that its on them. It they choose not to take the opportunity its on them. The option should be available.

 

As of right now, who doesn't have the opportunity to get an education? Between state-funded public schools and education loans/grants/scholarships, everyone has the chance to get a higher education. Are you suggesting that everyone should get to go to whatever university they want and not have to pay for it?

 

Of course not. But if you would like theres many tax-free countries I am sure you would not enjoy them though. My point is you already pay taxes for things that you do not need nor benefit from. You would benefit from a more educated society, so why not use your tax money for that instead of something you or the country will not benefit from.

 

Along the same lines as the first response. There already are ways for anyone to get an education, if they are willing to put in the effort. If someone isn't willing to work to get the education, then how will society benefit? Learning by osmosis doesn't actually work very well.

 

Btw, you stated before that there are no logical fallacies in your arguments. The reasoning above is one. Simply because you think something would be more useful and less wasteful than existing programs doesn't mean that new program should exist; they can both be too wasteful or outside of the government's jurisdiction.

 

1. A decent amount to where you can still enjoy life and the fruits of your labor, while contributing to the country that provides that for you.

In a similar vein to Jon's response, you have this idea backwards. The country doesn't provide for me, but rather I for it. It's the people that make the country great, not the other way around.

 

Jon and I have had the conversation before about the free clinic system. We are both in strong support of minimal government, but both support actually funding our free clinic system. I have never heard a good explanation as to why the gov't couldn't simply do that rather than try to re-work the entire health care system, esp. since most people don't actually want the changes. Why not just actually fund places that can give free care to everyone? There would be no need for a complete overhaul, there would be little debate, and it would cost no where near as much money as the overhaul would. For most situations, people don't need the best of the best doctors and the most high-tech, newest equipment. Can someone please try to explain why this idea is a bad one?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

U.S. Armed Forces

All law enforcement

All fire departments except volunteer units

All banks (yep, when an institution is upheld with the full guarantee of the government, it is socialism. You can blame Obama, but it goes back to Roosevelt and the most recent bailout began under that raving Socialist George W. Bush)

Catholic hospitals

All not-for-profit organizations (Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc.)

 

NBA, NFL, NCAA, etc., are not socialism, they are government sanctioned monopolies, which close to socialism the difference being the large profits protected from unsanctioned competition.

 

Liberals have made consevative a bad word and conservatives have made liberal a bad word. They are, at their root, both admirable terms.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


×
×
  • Create New...