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Old 04-20-2019, 10:04 PM
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Getting rid of cars and airplanes is a good idea? That hypocrite spent thousands of $ on uber during her campaign when the train was available. Plus, Jake Tapper murdered her in an interview. She had ZERO clue on how to pay for any of it.
Of course we will never get rid of cars and airplanes (although Boeing could go away).
But, the auto industry is powerful. It seems to me that they innovate when mandated, but leave things alone when not forced. I’m not talking about creature comforts inside the autos, but miles-per-gallon engine/battery innovation. When California, the largest auto market in the largest country-wide auto market tells carmakers they can’t sell in that state unless their fleet average mpg is X, mpg innovation follows. And that’s good for the environment.
I’m not taking this into a global warming discussion. I just believe the idea of decreasing carbon emissions is probably a good thing. Sometimes it takes some serious nudging to make it happen. No one on the left seems to be able to pay for their ideas, and few on the right seem to be willing to tweak their larger donors into real innovation, which means re-tooling factories and maybe decreasing profit.

These are very difficult issues. They require real adults to talk with, sometimes yell at, each other, and then come up with compromises. We’ve just gotten to the point where republicans from super conservative districts can’t win primaries if they act like they might reach across party lines to get things done. Same thing on the Democrat side.
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Old 04-21-2019, 04:40 AM
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The larger liberal media has annointed her, not FOX news(who I also don't agree with). Everytime I see news, she's right there. She auditioned for the part and got it, everything she says outside a live interview is spoonfed to her by her handlers. I know lots of liberals, she's a leftist and thats a big and scary difference. The vocal minority that is upending the DNC is behind her and so is the media in stirring the pot.
You may be right with SOME media outlets(msnbc)but when I turn on FOX itís a hit job on AOC 22 hours a day. No different then cnnís hit job with Trump.

As for AOC and her outspoken crazy ideas, itís really no different than Trump and his childish antics. Just yell, rant, and throw jibberish at a wall and hopes it sticks. Thatís what our great nation has become-a land of blubbering idiots who want to not only measure each other penisís, but they want their mom to lie about the size of it. Look no farther than Lavar Ball. Did a good job of promoting his kid and his brand. But when it all settles most people finally see itís just a smoke screen.
Which brings me to my point I guess...people got tired of (black) Obama. So they went (white) Trump. Completely two different spectrum in terms of ideas and philosophies. This is why I think Pete Buttlieg is getting traction. Buttlieg sounds like an honest well-spoken individual. Heís basically everything Trump is not. Hence, why I think he could give Trump a run.
By the way, I donít think Iím a fan of his. Honestly, the whole Dem party to me looks like shyt right now.
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:11 AM
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You may be right with SOME media outlets(msnbc)but when I turn on FOX itís a hit job on AOC 22 hours a day. No different then cnnís hit job with Trump.

As for AOC and her outspoken crazy ideas, itís really no different than Trump and his childish antics. Just yell, rant, and throw jibberish at a wall and hopes it sticks. Thatís what our great nation has become-a land of blubbering idiots who want to not only measure each other penisís, but they want their mom to lie about the size of it. Look no farther than Lavar Ball. Did a good job of promoting his kid and his brand. But when it all settles most people finally see itís just a smoke screen.
Which brings me to my point I guess...people got tired of (black) Obama. So they went (white) Trump. Completely two different spectrum in terms of ideas and philosophies. This is why I think Pete Buttlieg is getting traction. Buttlieg sounds like an honest well-spoken individual. Heís basically everything Trump is not. Hence, why I think he could give Trump a run.
By the way, I donít think Iím a fan of his. Honestly, the whole Dem party to me looks like shyt right now.
There's no some about it. She is everywhere in the media, which obsolutely is liberally dominated and run. I've never seen a freshman congressperson get coverage so much and so often. A lot of people couldn't name their congressional rep but know who AOC is, and have never watched FOX to have gained that knowledge.

Her ideas aren't very comparable to Trump and things he says. Her ideas aren't her own, she's just a mouthpiece and arguably an attractive young female to channel through. She's at best an actor speaking for a radical group with an extreme socialist bend.
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There's no some about it. She is everywhere in the media, which obsolutely is liberally dominated and run. I've never seen a freshman congressperson get coverage so much and so often. A lot of people couldn't name their congressional rep but know who AOC is, and have never watched FOX to have gained that knowledge.

Her ideas aren't very comparable to Trump and things he says. Her ideas aren't her own, she's just a mouthpiece and arguably an attractive young female to channel through. She's at best an actor speaking for a radical group with an extreme socialist bend.
You don’t think that has to do with the constant attacks from right wing media? When she one the primary against a established dem I saw some media coverage about it. Then I saw her used by the right as a generalization for dems. You were personally on here crying about the rise of socialism in the party etc after she won. You are still talking about her. The left leaning folks didn’t bring her up in here either. I really only see liberal media outlets reporting on either her green deal (real news) it is a piece of legislation or how some right wing clown attacked her for her accent or something. Go ahead and type “breitbartaohttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-fox-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-news-twitter-a8868036.html%3famp

C”. You will get secret clips of her dancing and everything! There are actually news articles on the fox mentions

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Old 04-21-2019, 01:17 PM
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You donít think that has to do with the constant attacks from right wing media? When she one the primary against a established dem I saw some media coverage about it. Then I saw her used by the right as a generalization for dems. You were personally on here crying about the rise of socialism in the party etc after she won. You are still talking about her. The left leaning folks didnít bring her up in here either. I really only see liberal media outlets reporting on either her green deal (real news) it is a piece of legislation or how some right wing clown attacked her for her accent or something. Go ahead and type ďbreitbartaohttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-fox-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-news-twitter-a8868036.html%3famp

CĒ. You will get secret clips of her dancing and everything! There are actually news articles on the fox mentions
Just to be clear, I case I haven't mentioned it in this thread or others(I have repeatedly), I don't watch FOX news and disagree with many things with them. Bought and paid for like all other MSM.

Yep still alarmed at the radicalization of the left and fracturing of the party. But don't take my word for it, plenty of Democrats are leery of the new radicals like AOC. Her green deal was widely discussed everywhere, and thankfully even was shot to ribbons by her own party. What accent? The one she put on at Sharpton's event a few weeks ago? Pretty lame for any politician to resort to that in order to be "relateable". I'd call out Trump if he came here and tried on some hokey, I been to farm before, manner of speaking. It's just dumb and a back handed slap in the face to the audience.
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Old 04-21-2019, 03:24 PM
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Just to be clear, I case I haven't mentioned it in this thread or others(I have repeatedly), I don't watch FOX news and disagree with many things with them. Bought and paid for like all other MSM.

Yep still alarmed at the radicalization of the left and fracturing of the party. But don't take my word for it, plenty of Democrats are leery of the new radicals like AOC. Her green deal was widely discussed everywhere, and thankfully even was shot to ribbons by her own party. What accent? The one she put on at Sharpton's event a few weeks ago? Pretty lame for any politician to resort to that in order to be "relateable". I'd call out Trump if he came here and tried on some hokey, I been to farm before, manner of speaking. It's just dumb and a back handed slap in the face to the audience.
This is what I am talking about, sheís not president why do you care so much. Do you live in her district? Tell me about Steve king, at least that clown lives in your state.
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:03 AM
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This is what I am talking about, she’s not president why do you care so much. Do you live in her district? Tell me about Steve king, at least that clown lives in your state.
You don't get what I've been saying. I really wouldn't care for her, except she is everywhere all the time and she is being forced into our consciousness. I can't name all the members of Congress or Senate, but why is she getting so much attention? Bernie was a nobody to me until the last election. His socialist ideas existed long before hand, but near as I can tell he never pushed them nor received much attention for them before '16.

Why would I care? She is actually pushing for very radical ideas that could effect everyone, concepts that I'm thoroughly opposed to. She's a member of a governing body that could enact those policies. Why wouldn't I care?

Steve King is not my representative either. I haven't followed him much. He said some unPC things, and was widely/universally renounced for them. Didn't see the same thing with Omar a few weeks ago. Matter of factly it went from hate speech protection against Jews to hate speech protection for everyone....except whites. I think the whole hate speech legislation is rather silly and uncalled for. BTW I actually agree with some of Omar's premise of the overly powerful pro-Israel lobby.
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There's no some about it. She is everywhere in the media, which obsolutely is liberally dominated and run. I've never seen a freshman congressperson get coverage so much and so often. A lot of people couldn't name their congressional rep but know who AOC is, and have never watched FOX to have gained that knowledge.

Her ideas aren't very comparable to Trump and things he says. Her ideas aren't her own, she's just a mouthpiece and arguably an attractive young female to channel through. She's at best an actor speaking for a radical group with an extreme socialist bend.
I agree that she is being talked about at ad nauseum. It is a little strange. But I think it accumulates from a bunch of things. Her far left policies, sheís young and beautiful, which can be sometimes be misconstrued as naive or dumb in our society, sheís also a break away from everything Trump. Especially, when the Mueller report among other things were hassling Trump daily. The right needed something to detract its viewers from Trumps bag of wind daily. Hillary was it for the past two years. Looks like they moved on from her to AOC.

I will ask Jesse..since we are very cordial to each other. Is it strange that Barr came out the way he did-Hours early before the report was to be released and as a defense lawyer from Trump. If Bill Clintonís Kenneth Starr report was given to Janet Reno and she came out in defense of Clinton, you have to admit the right would be up in arms. The same goes for if Obama and if he were best friends with Anderson Cooper in how Hannity is best friends with Trump. Never can I recall a news outlet dictating a presidents agenda. The wall for instance. Congress had a deal twice and the president shot it down twice because Hannity said its not enough.
Anyways, curious of your thoughts.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:10 PM
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I agree that she is being talked about at ad nauseum. It is a little strange. But I think it accumulates from a bunch of things. Her far left policies, sheís young and beautiful, which can be sometimes be misconstrued as naive or dumb in our society, sheís also a break away from everything Trump. Especially, when the Mueller report among other things were hassling Trump daily. The right needed something to detract its viewers from Trumps bag of wind daily. Hillary was it for the past two years. Looks like they moved on from her to AOC.

I will ask Jesse..since we are very cordial to each other. Is it strange that Barr came out the way he did-Hours early before the report was to be released and as a defense lawyer from Trump. If Bill Clintonís Kenneth Starr report was given to Janet Reno and she came out in defense of Clinton, you have to admit the right would be up in arms. The same goes for if Obama and if he were best friends with Anderson Cooper in how Hannity is best friends with Trump. Never can I recall a news outlet dictating a presidents agenda. The wall for instance. Congress had a deal twice and the president shot it down twice because Hannity said its not enough.
Anyways, curious of your thoughts.
I really didn't pay a ton of attention to how the AG was hours before the report. My opinion was let the report come out and reveal what it reveals. I haven't read it myself. I know regardless the fight and debate of its content will continue for some time. Each side will have their perspective.

I dont watch FOX so I cant say about them dictating Trumps agenda. Overall the agenda he ran on during the election is what got him in for a lot of voters, and he has been active in trying to fulfill those pledges.
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You don't get what I've been saying. I really wouldn't care for her, except she is everywhere all the time and she is being forced into our consciousness. I can't name all the members of Congress or Senate, but why is she getting so much attention? Bernie was a nobody to me until the last election. His socialist ideas existed long before hand, but near as I can tell he never pushed them nor received much attention for them before '16.

Why would I care? She is actually pushing for very radical ideas that could effect everyone, concepts that I'm thoroughly opposed to. She's a member of a governing body that could enact those policies. Why wouldn't I care?

Steve King is not my representative either. I haven't followed him much. He said some unPC things, and was widely/universally renounced for them. Didn't see the same thing with Omar a few weeks ago. Matter of factly it went from hate speech protection against Jews to hate speech protection for everyone....except whites. I think the whole hate speech legislation is rather silly and uncalled for. BTW I actually agree with some of Omar's premise of the overly powerful pro-Israel lobby.
I always get what you are saying. It’s always right wing propaganda. You don’t get your news from fox great, but you get something with that uranium one. . You can’t escape me son, I remerber all of your right wing propaganda. You may get it from fox, brietbart, wherever it still flows through everything you post like blood. You bring up Omar, who is that? Most the country does not know, you know because you visit right wing propaganda websites. You do it all day, why are you acting? Who is Omar? Is that your representative? I am confused, is this Omar the president? Senator? Explain to me who this Omar is and why you are so afraid. Yet, you don’t know what Steve King has talked about, it’s not on the right wing websites I assure you. That’s why I know where you get your information.

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Old 04-25-2019, 07:22 AM
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I always get what you are saying. Itís always right wing propaganda. You donít get your news from fox great, but you get something with that uranium one. . You canít escape me son, I remerber all of your right wing propaganda. You may get it from fox, brietbart, wherever it still flows through everything you post like blood. You bring up Omar, who is that? Most the country does not know, you know because you visit right wing propaganda websites. You do it all day, why are you acting? Who is Omar? Is that your representative? I am confused, is this Omar the president? Senator? Explain to me who this Omar is and why you are so afraid. Yet, you donít know what Steve King has talked about, itís not on the right wing websites I assure you. Thatís why I know where you get your information.
Realistically and somewhat sad to admit, most of my news feeds come from Yahoo. Its my homepage when I click on the net. Don't know why I choose that site, but its where I get quick updates on their feds, basically since college when I started web surfing. So at least on my viewing of Yahoo and all its various links, most of it is exclusively liberal news links like: Huffpo, Salon, Vice, WSJ, WashPo, CNn, MSNBC etc etc. Sure the may be Fox News articles once in awhile or another conservative news sources, but the vast majority are liberal outlets.

So that in mind, when AOC or Omar or whoever says or does something, I simply go to Yahoo and scroll through their related links. And vola article after article with the headlines about those people appear from those same liberal outlets, and probably Fox too. Even more disturbing IMO is just about every one of those articles reads the same...eerily so. Its almost as if some larger power forces these companies to drone on and on with the same unoriginal talking points and agenda. Not conspiracy mind you since most are owned by the same corporations pushing the narrative.

I don't have to read or watch Fox, Breitbart, or whoever you think I do to get news. All I need is the who, what, when, where, why, and how. I can formulate my own thoughts on the news based on my beliefs and values and have an opinion, its calked free thinking. I can't help if there are other people out there who share conservative ideas, Fox etc certainly don't have a monopoly on it.

I certainly enjoy podcasts like LWC, Owen Benjamin, Tim Pool, Styxhexenhammer, etc when I have time. Two of those are far from conservative thinkers, and there are others I enjoy who are liberal but support values like free speech and are against PC culture run amok.
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I always get what you are saying. Itís always right wing propaganda. You donít get your news from fox great, but you get something with that uranium one. . You canít escape me son, I remerber all of your right wing propaganda. You may get it from fox, brietbart, wherever it still flows through everything you post like blood. You bring up Omar, who is that? Most the country does not know, you know because you visit right wing propaganda websites. You do it all day, why are you acting? Who is Omar? Is that your representative? I am confused, is this Omar the president? Senator? Explain to me who this Omar is and why you are so afraid. Yet, you donít know what Steve King has talked about, itís not on the right wing websites I assure you. Thatís why I know where you get your information.
Another reason I didn't follow King's contraversey, it lasted for about a day and he was lambasted by all sides for saying what he said. I know what he said about white people, am I to defend or castigate him? The media dropped it pretty quickly because no one defended him on the Republican side. Thats not to say people haven't tried to explain away what he said or claim he did a poor job explaining his views, because there have been those people. He seems to have been taken care of so to speak, for now.
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Realistically and somewhat sad to admit, most of my news feeds come from Yahoo. Its my homepage when I click on the net. Don't know why I choose that site, but its where I get quick updates on their feds, basically since college when I started web surfing. So at least on my viewing of Yahoo and all its various links, most of it is exclusively liberal news links like: Huffpo, Salon, Vice, WSJ, WashPo, CNn, MSNBC etc etc. Sure the may be Fox News articles once in awhile or another conservative news sources, but the vast majority are liberal outlets.

So that in mind, when AOC or Omar or whoever says or does something, I simply go to Yahoo and scroll through their related links. And vola article after article with the headlines about those people appear from those same liberal outlets, and probably Fox too. Even more disturbing IMO is just about every one of those articles reads the same...eerily so. Its almost as if some larger power forces these companies to drone on and on with the same unoriginal talking points and agenda. Not conspiracy mind you since most are owned by the same corporations pushing the narrative.

I don't have to read or watch Fox, Breitbart, or whoever you think I do to get news. All I need is the who, what, when, where, why, and how. I can formulate my own thoughts on the news based on my beliefs and values and have an opinion, its calked free thinking. I can't help if there are other people out there who share conservative ideas, Fox etc certainly don't have a monopoly on it.

I certainly enjoy podcasts like LWC, Owen Benjamin, Tim Pool, Styxhexenhammer, etc when I have time. Two of those are far from conservative thinkers, and there are others I enjoy who are liberal but support values like free speech and are against PC culture run amok.
Other than Tim Pool, who leans a little right those are all far right podcasts FYI. Owen Benjamin is self described alt right and believes the earth is flat. This is okay! It’s fine that you enjoy these right wing programs, but the original argument stemmed from you saying that liberal media outlets have been the ones covering aoc. I challenged that, with evidence that fox brought her up over 3000 times in two weeks. I am just pointing out that the right wants to characterize AOC and Omar because it creates fear. Both are of other cultures that scare the right and have some radical ideas. This gets the right all frazzled and scared so they will click more headlines and watch more programming. I think it is very unfair to them that they are constantly attacked when there are 463 others that do the same job everyday. Want to attack Pelosi? Fine, she’s the speaker and has a lot of power.

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Other than Tim Pool, who leans a little right those are all far right podcasts FYI. Owen Benjamin is self described alt right and believes the earth is flat.
Pool is very liberal minded. Styx is libertarian.

Owen isn't self described alt right though, after all what exactly is alt right? Nor does he believe the earth is flat, he's open to discussing ideas. He does believe the moon landing was faked. Regardless his comedy is funny as hell. I highly recommend his video about how to not get killed by your wife.
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Other than Tim Pool, who leans a little right those are all far right podcasts FYI. Owen Benjamin is self described alt right and believes the earth is flat. This is okay! Itís fine that you enjoy these right wing programs, but the original argument stemmed from you saying that liberal media outlets have been the ones covering aoc. I challenged that, with evidence that fox brought her up over 3000 times in two weeks. I am just pointing out that the right wants to characterize AOC and Omar because it creates fear. Both are of other cultures that scare the right and have some radical ideas. This gets the right all frazzled and scared so they will click more headlines and watch more programming.
I see that you added. My argument still solidly stands that the liberal outlets have covered every bit and more of those two and others. As I mentioned from reading those news sources, who may just be reporting what the congresswomen are legislating, its enough for me and others to have concern without ever listening/reading a conservative news source like FOX.

Now the $64,000 question is whether the MSM(including FOX) constantly keeps them in the conversation, similar to Trump, just because it's click bait and outrage sells for both sides in MSM. Then the answer is solidly yes.
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Pool is very liberal minded. Styx is libertarian.

Owen isn't self described alt right though, after all what exactly is alt right? Nor does he believe the earth is flat, he's open to discussing ideas. He does believe the moon landing was faked. Regardless his comedy is funny as hell. I highly recommend his video about how to not get killed by your wife.
in the US) an ideological grouping associated with extreme conservative or reactionary viewpoints, characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate deliberately controversial content.

The mood landing wasnít fake, the earth isnít flat either.
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in the US) an ideological grouping associated with extreme conservative or reactionary viewpoints, characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate deliberately controversial content.

The mood landing wasnít fake, the earth isnít flat either.
The reason I mentioned what is alt right, people have different definitions. Kinda like calling everyone Hitler. Who is actually Hitler? Mitt Romney was literally Hitler in 2012, now Trump is literally Hitler. What's the definition of extreme conservative and reactionary viewpoints? I'm old enough to remember plenty of pro life, pro 2A, and anti-illegal immigration, family values types since forever. Is it controversial to have a long form discussion about any of these issues in the public forum or on the net?

BTW I never said moon landing was fake or the Earth was flat, just summing up Owen currently.
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I see that you added. My argument still solidly stands that the liberal outlets have covered every bit and more of those two and others. As I mentioned from reading those news sources, who may just be reporting what the congresswomen are legislating, its enough for me and others to have concern without ever listening/reading a conservative news source like FOX.

Now the $64,000 question is whether the MSM(including FOX) constantly keeps them in the conversation, similar to Trump, just because it's click bait and outrage sells for both sides in MSM. Then the answer is solidly yes.
I donít think any other outlet mentioned her 3000 times in 2 weeks. I could be wrong, seriously doubt it. While I do not have actual numbers on that I do know that 44% of democrats have never heard of her and only 29% of republicans in a recent poll. I guess we will just agree to disagree on this topic.
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Steve King is not my representative either. I haven't followed him much. He said some unPC things, and was widely/universally renounced for them.

unPC things... lol.


I thought this thread was about Mayor Pete? Smart guy, won't win though.
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