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Please note that I have not vetted this author, I came across the linked article and found it interesting.

This author makes the case that the founding fathers intended that a "well regulated militia necessary to the security of a free state was a militia that might someday fight against a standing army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government."

https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm
That was always my understanding of the 2A.
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What qualifies for a "well regulated militia"? I think that's pretty important. I don't feel a few gun loving buddies fit the definition.
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There are radicals out there who have utilized violence against the state with firearms who belonged to groups besides the two you mentioned.[/b] Specifically black militant radicals among others[/b].

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I have had that argument many times. For lack of a better term black militant groups have been whitewashed.

That said, I have heard in interesting theory that if more black men utilized the 2A and armed themselves legally that would get stricter guns faster then anything else. The Mulford Act restricted guns in public to counter the black panthers after marching on state capitol and patrolling neighborhoods.

I wonder if the face of a gun carrier changed would the publics feelings change as well?
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I have had that argument many times. For lack of a better term black militant groups have been whitewashed.

That said, I have heard in interesting theory that if more black men utilized the 2A and armed themselves legally that would get stricter guns faster then anything else. The Mulford Act restricted guns in public to counter the black panthers after marching on state capitol and patrolling neighborhoods.

I wonder if the face of a gun carrier changed would the publics feelings change as well?
I tend to think it wouldn't change, but I dunno. Matter of fact I think many would be wholeheartedly supportive and anxious to see long argued points of citizens in urban areas being able to defend themselves with a firearm, challenging established beliefs and gun restrictions to the contrary.
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The national guard is an entity of the government and is not considered a militia in the traditional sense. A militia is an armed group of civilians.
The National Guard answers to the governor of the state and answers to the President when activated. So, I agree.
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What qualifies for a "well regulated militia"? I think that's pretty important. I don't feel a few gun loving buddies fit the definition.
This will not answer your question but last year over 600,000 hunting license were issued in Michigan without a death. That is more than Iraq`s army. W.V. had 750,000 issued without an accident.
Most states require gun safety classes before a person can get a license.
There are millions of well armed civilians and like our service men and women, they would swear their allegiance to the constitution only, not the President or any other person.
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Well, I agree the likelihood of invasion is remote due to various factors, namely geographical. However there certainly are circumstances that could allow for such a situation to occur even if they are very remote.

There are radicals out there who have utilized violence against the state with firearms who belonged to groups besides the two you mentioned. Specifically black militant radicals among others.

No I don't consider Trump a conservative at all, he's a populist and centrist. However some of his policies have been arguably the most conservative in my lifetime perhaps longer. His tariffs going into affect are bad and goes against free market ideals.

Duke and his ilk in the alt right aren't conservative. The left labels them as Nazis, and in a sense that's not a terrible anology. What I mean is the Nazis, contrary to popular belief, were not the right. They arose from socialist ideology. For instance the SJW crowds on college campuses fight for safe spaces and segregation according to identity like race. Well guess who else supports segregation, the KKK and white nationalists. Both seek the means of making that happen by way of the government's involvement. I also don't see a ton of support from the WN movement promoting free market capitalism, equality of opportunity, and equal rights for all Americans protected by the Constitution. Those three ideals are high values for conservatives.
False about black militants, false about Nazis, and contradiction with Trump. First, what black militant group had a rep shoot up a school or night club lately? Second, the Nazis were so far right, they abused the name socialist, they meant it as nationalist, fact. You paint trump is a centrist but in the same breath mentioned he is the most conservative president. Then you went on to explain how his policies, regarding free trade ( which had lost me money, told you all way back) that you do not agree with. So what policies are conservative? Comparing Nazis with college kids want a unisex bathroom or want a place to share thoughts about their ethnicity, shame on you.

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The National Guard answers to the governor of the state and answers to the President when activated. So, I agree.
Um, did you ever take an american history class? The military force which fought the revolution was composed of militias, raised from the citizens, who answered to the various governors. The national guard is the current iteration of those militias.

An armed group of citizens who answer to no political authority is not a militia, and it is certainly not well-regulated.
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False about black militants, false about Nazis, and contradiction with Trump. First, what black militant group had a rep shoot up a school or night club lately? Second, the Nazis were so far right, they abused the name socialist, they meant it as nationalist, fact. You paint trump is a centrist but in the same breath mentioned he is the most conservative president. Then you went on to explain how his policies, regarding free trade ( which had lost me money, told you all way back) that you do not agree with. So what policies are conservative? Comparing Nazis with college kids want a unisex bathroom or want a place to share thoughts about their ethnicity, shame on you.
There was a BLM supporter in Dallas just two years ago who got into a shootout with police, while oddly enough there was a peaceful BLM parade marching through the streets who the police were trying to protect. The was another just a few days later who set up an ambush in Louisiana and engaged in a public shootout with LE. Those are threats to the public/state. Perhaps your definitions are different.

The Nazi were not right wing at all. Seriously read up on history. The Nazi or facist movement was another branch that evolved from socialism along with communism. Facism really got it's start with Mussolini, who was congratulated by Stalin after his take over in Italy and greeted as a brother socialist. Matter of fact FDR was also very enamored with Mussolini's Italy and sent US reps there to see first hand how it worked and ideas that could be brought back to the States. Hitler was a huge admirer of Mussolini and his facist government, and especially the part that Italian nationalism played into it. The BIG qualm that the Nazi(National Socialists) had with the Soviet Union was that all communists owed fealty to Moscow. There was no abuse of socialist, it was another variation of socialism focusing on the individual state(Germany) rather than swearing alligence to the USSR which was a configuration of Russia and a number of satellite states. I remember reading Animal Farm as a kid, which is a critique of Soviet communism obviously. But I told my teacher that not only was it that, but it also epitomized Nazi Germany. Why? Because at their heart each represented divergent branches of the same underlying ideology....socialism.

Read my words very carefully, again comprehension is key. I said that Trump has had some of the most conservative policy in my lifetime, NOT that he was a conservative president. His conservative policies: lowering taxes, deregulation, getting rid of individual mandates in health care, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, to name a few. He is not conservative if he is placing tariffs on free trade, signing omnibus spending packages rather than reducing government spending, or considering blanket amnesty or automatic citizenship for illegal aliens, among others. Thereby he is a popularist/centrist and not truly conservative in the opinion of many.

I won't touch the transgender bathroom debate now, that's a whole different topic. As for people wishing to celebrate their ethnicity, sex, political view, etc and form groups on campus or wherever, no problem. But that's not what's taking place. Instead these (majority) leftist groups have been advocating for entirely separate but equal programs broken down purely by identity. Things like separate dorms, classes, rights, etc depending on the identity group you belong to. Isn't that essentially Jim Crow laws/policies? Again something a white nationalist would fully support? But yeah shame on me for advocating equal opportunity for all rather than separate but equal.

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I am not going to get into all the ways that the Nazis were not socialists and are hard right wing. But here’s a link https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
Here’s a qoute “In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century". Now, fascism is similar to Stalin’s communism I will give you that, but comparing Nazis to modern day socialism used in Germany, Canada, and a lot of European countries is not accurate. Where fascism is different than Stalin’s communism is the design was for state (nationalism) verses for the people (communism). Not saying that Stalin was actually for the people, but that is the design.

Those tax cuts are a sham btw, designed to make you think you will get a cut until Trumps re-election campaign then your taxes go back up. By 2027, the number of taxpayers who would pay more jumps to 25 percent, a quarter of all households. You know who really cut taxes? Obama https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...-no/index.html
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I am not going to get into all the ways that the Nazis were not socialists and are hard right wing. But here’s a link https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
Here’s a qoute “In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century". Now, fascism is similar to Stalin’s communism I will give you that, but comparing Nazis to modern day socialism used in Germany, Canada, and a lot of European countries is not accurate. Where fascism is different than Stalin’s communism is the design was for state (nationalism) verses for the people (communism). Not saying that Stalin was actually for the people, but that is the design.

Those tax cuts are a sham btw, designed to make you think you will get a cut until Trumps re-election campaign then your taxes go back up. By 2027, the number of taxpayers who would pay more jumps to 25 percent, a quarter of all households. You know who really cut taxes? Obama https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...-no/index.html
Edit. Forgot to point out, what is conservative about Trump recognizing another countries capital? Seriously, what does that have to do with your libertarian beliefs, you should give two ... about it. That is why I find it really hard to believe you Conversation values deal. Why it is fluid with each individual and you really can not define it. Also, why I believe the whole conservative values is a joke, follow the Bible to a tee but love the president who breaks most commandments. Obama was damn near a saint if you are judging a man by the Bible, yet “conservatives” hate him. Hypocrites.
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Um, did you ever take an american history class? The military force which fought the revolution was composed of militias, raised from the citizens, who answered to the various governors. The national guard is the current iteration of those militias.

An armed group of citizens who answer to no political authority is not a militia, and it is certainly not well-regulated.
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I said nothing about the national guard not answering to a Governor. BUT, once they are activated into the Army, they answer to the President of the USA. They swear their allegiance to the Constitution, not the President.
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I am not going to get into all the ways that the Nazis were not socialists and are hard right wing. But here’s a link https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
Here’s a qoute “In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century". Now, fascism is similar to Stalin’s communism I will give you that, but comparing Nazis to modern day socialism used in Germany, Canada, and a lot of European countries is not accurate. Where fascism is different than Stalin’s communism is the design was for state (nationalism) verses for the people (communism). Not saying that Stalin was actually for the people, but that is the design.

Those tax cuts are a sham btw, designed to make you think you will get a cut until Trumps re-election campaign then your taxes go back up. By 2027, the number of taxpayers who would pay more jumps to 25 percent, a quarter of all households. You know who really cut taxes? Obama https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...-no/index.html
At first I thought that you were serious. The last sentence really made me laugh.
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I am not going to get into all the ways that the Nazis were not socialists and are hard right wing. But here’s a link https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
Here’s a qoute “In the 1920s the Italian Fascists described their ideology as right-wing in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century". Now, fascism is similar to Stalin’s communism I will give you that, but comparing Nazis to modern day socialism used in Germany, Canada, and a lot of European countries is not accurate. Where fascism is different than Stalin’s communism is the design was for state (nationalism) verses for the people (communism). Not saying that Stalin was actually for the people, but that is the design.

Those tax cuts are a sham btw, designed to make you think you will get a cut until Trumps re-election campaign then your taxes go back up. By 2027, the number of taxpayers who would pay more jumps to 25 percent, a quarter of all households. You know who really cut taxes? Obama https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...-no/index.html
Are you seriously trying to use snopes as a source?! Wow. Well lets unpack the Nazis as "right wing." Compared to who are they right wing? The communists? They were perhaps considered "right wing" by European standards, but Europe has always been much more to the left politically than the US. So at best the Nazi line up slightly left of center or at worst still very to the left.

I will stand by comparing socialist principles from the past, present, and future. They have the same foundations: equality of outcome, identity politics, big government, government regulation of business, etc. Nationalism doesnt mean right wing. The concept that the Nazis were right wing didn't start to come about until after the war, when the left was desperately trying to distance themselves from the Nazis socialist ideology. Leading up to and during the war there was no one who considered the Nazis a right movement, other than it was right of communism. The ideas behind the Holocaust, namely eugenics and identity politics, were uniquely left. Matter of fact the "scientific" theory behind eugenics the Nazis embraced came from leftist thinkers in America like Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.

As to your edit, that's what's great about having conservative/libertarian values. I can have my own independent free thoughts about any subject without having to subscribe to the group think mentality of the identity motivated, post modern movement of the left. I can criticize any conservative leader about why they don't support conservative policy and ideals, and I can be supportive when they do. Like I said equal opportunity and rights for all, but not equal outcome.
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Are you seriously trying to use snopes as a source?! Wow.
Snopes really is just another resource. Kind of like using Wikipedia. Snopes was started as a hobby by a guy in California and his Canadian wife in the 1990's. They have been going through a nasty divorce over the last year and are suing each other. He even created a GoFundMe page to keep Snopes up and running. At its height Snopes employed 16 other individuals across the country, each working from home. These individuals look up things on the internet just as we all do. They just spend more time doing it than most of us. The guy who created Snopes admitted there is no formal screening process for determining who gets employed by them.
Snopes has been deemed reliable by FaceBook and others, so there's that.

addendum: I throw in "his Canadian wife" only in the sense that David Mikkelson (the Snopes creator) has commented that his wife cannot vote in the US. That, he says, is important in understanding that Snopes does not have a political viewpoint. He was a registered Republican in the 1990's but his more recent voting registrations have no party affiliation.

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Are you seriously trying to use snopes as a source?! Wow. Well lets unpack the Nazis as "right wing." Compared to who are they right wing? The communists? They were perhaps considered "right wing" by European standards, but Europe has always been much more to the left politically than the US. So at best the Nazi line up slightly left of center or at worst still very to the left.

I will stand by comparing socialist principles from the past, present, and future. They have the same foundations: equality of outcome, identity politics, big government, government regulation of business, etc. Nationalism doesnt mean right wing. The concept that the Nazis were right wing didn't start to come about until after the war, when the left was desperately trying to distance themselves from the Nazis socialist ideology. Leading up to and during the war there was no one who considered the Nazis a right movement, other than it was right of communism. The ideas behind the Holocaust, namely eugenics and identity politics, were uniquely left. Matter of fact the "scientific" theory behind eugenics the Nazis embraced came from leftist thinkers in America like Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.

As to your edit, that's what's great about having conservative/libertarian values. I can have my own independent free thoughts about any subject without having to subscribe to the group think mentality of the identity motivated, post modern movement of the left. I can criticize any conservative leader about why they don't support conservative policy and ideals, and I can be supportive when they do. Like I said equal opportunity and rights for all, but not equal outcome.
I was using the information as to why they are not socialist, the article has sources. I am not going to write you an essay, when someone has done it for me. Not to mention, you do not seem use sources at all, it appears to be your opinions. Which you support with that your conservative ideals give you power to do so. Fine, but you originally had an opinion that the alt-right and American Nazi organizations are not conservatives. It took me a number of posts, but I finally got you to say that your views of what a conservative is may be different from others. If they feel they are conservative, who’s to tell them they are wrong? Here’s the actual definition, hopefully the dictionary is an okay source, “holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion“. This is why groups like Isis, countries like Iran, and other theocracy are considered conservative. Now if you want to go into differences of eco mics, that is separate discussion. You could say the Nazis were not capitalists or argue socialism is against free mark or something. But that’s a different deal.

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I was using the information as to why they are not socialist, the article has sources. I am not going to write you an essay, when someone has done it for me. Not to mention, you do not seem use sources at all, it appears to be your opinions. Which you support with that your conservative ideals give you power to do so. Fine, but you originally had an opinion that the alt-right and American Nazi organizations are not conservatives. It took me a number of posts, but I finally got you to say that your views of what a conservative is may be different from others. If they feel they are conservative, who’s to tell them they are wrong? Here’s the actual definition, hopefully the dictionary is an okay source, “holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion“. This is why groups like Isis, countries like Iran, and other theocracy are considered conservative. Now if you want to go into differences of eco mics, that is separate discussion. You could say the Nazis were not capitalists or argue socialism is against free mark or something. But that’s a different deal.
How many historical books written by experts of the Nazis and Hitler, professors, and documentaries do you want me to list that support the fact that the Nazis were socialists? This isn't an opinion at all. I have my BA in history and how this is even questioned is entirely beyond me. If you have trouble with someone writing an essay in a reply to a historical fact, then obviously you won't care to read real books about the subject.

I've written a number of times about my views and those espoused by most conservatives and libertarians multiple times in this thread alone. Again reading comprehension and thoroughness helps.
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Snopes really is just another resource. Kind of like using Wikipedia. Snopes was started as a hobby by a guy in California and his Canadian wife in the 1990's. They have been going through a nasty divorce over the last year and are suing each other. He even created a GoFundMe page to keep Snopes up and running. At its height Snopes employed 16 other individuals across the country, each working from home. These individuals look up things on the internet just as we all do. They just spend more time doing it than most of us. The guy who created Snopes admitted there is no formal screening process for determining who gets employed by them.
Snopes has been deemed reliable by FaceBook and others, so there's that.

addendum: I throw in "his Canadian wife" only in the sense that David Mikkelson (the Snopes creator) has commented that his wife cannot vote in the US. That, he says, is important in understanding that Snopes does not have a political viewpoint. He was a registered Republican in the 1990's but his more recent voting registrations have no party affiliation.
I understand what you are saying. However i usually dont use it or Wikipedia too much to get the deeper insight of a topic, perhaps the 10000 foot view. For this topic there are volumes upon volumes dealing with Hitler and the Nazi party and their beliefs and practices.
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I understand what you are saying. However i usually dont use it or Wikipedia too much to get the deeper insight of a topic, perhaps the 10000 foot view.
I agree with you on this. I don't rely on Snopes for anything, quite honestly. I understand they have a good reputation. However, I also suspect that most people think of Snopes kind of like they think about FaceBook or Google, like it's some large tech enterprise with dozens or hundreds of employees and a corporate headquarters. It's really a small time operation that struggles to make expenses and has no significant screening processes for hiring the 16 people who do the research from their living rooms/bedrooms/home offices across the country. The presentation of the findings of the research by these individuals is certainly worth something, but I guess I'm just not as high on Snopes as FaceBook seems to be.

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How many historical books written by experts of the Nazis and Hitler, professors, and documentaries do you want me to list that support the fact that the Nazis were socialists? This isn't an opinion at all. I have my BA in history and how this is even questioned is entirely beyond me. If you have trouble with someone writing an essay in a reply to a historical fact, then obviously you won't care to read real books about the subject.

I've written a number of times about my views and those espoused by most conservatives and libertarians multiple times in this thread alone. Again reading comprehension and thoroughness helps.
As long as you hang on to the fact that conservatism is what you think it is there is no point in going back and forth. A nation or group can be conservative and no be open to free market, or one can be conservative in certain beliefs and open to a free market. Fascism at its heart is conservative. It is to maintain order and tradition. I never said fascism is correlated with libertarian philosophy btw. Neither fascism nor original socialism were for free markets. However, in modern times many countries have free markets with socialism philosophies. Fascism was stronger against redistribution of wealth to the people, it was to the country.
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I have peeked in and out on this thread. I live in the Peoples Republic of California. There are so many things wrong with this state and its philosophy about immigration, taxation, gun control, insurance, public programs, crime prevention, homelessness, on and on. I own several guns and have no desire to shoot them or anyone. I don't own "assault rifles" but I do own guns that will kill any mother f-er that comes in my house, threatens my family or tries to assault me anywhere. Given the $hithole state of this Republic of California, I am happy to be armed with anything at all times. I will not retire in this state and have done my due diligence on the States where the perspective about crime, immigration, social program handouts, family, and ethics match closest to mine. It won't be on coastal cities... You Think? That said. I do believe we need to do better with screening and inter communication between the entities that have information about the high risk gun owners/purchasers out there. We have seen enough failures by the institutions that exist in weening out the crazy and high propensity to violence crazies. Until they get that figured out, I am packin.
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I have peeked in and out on this thread. I live in the Peoples Republic of California. There are so many things wrong with this state and its philosophy about immigration, taxation, gun control, insurance, public programs, crime prevention, homelessness, on and on. I own several guns and have no desire to shoot them or anyone. I don't own "assault rifles" but I do own guns that will kill any mother f-er that comes in my house, threatens my family or tries to assault me anywhere. Given the $hithole state of this Republic of California, I am happy to be armed with anything at all times. I will not retire in this state and have done my due diligence on the States where the perspective about crime, immigration, social program handouts, family, and ethics match closest to mine. It won't be on coastal cities... You Think? That said. I do believe we need to do better with screening and inter communication between the entities that have information about the high risk gun owners/purchasers out there. We have seen enough failures by the institutions that exist in weening out the crazy and high propensity to violence crazies. Until they get that figured out, I am packin.
Amusingly interesting post.
Houston is almost a coastal city. You might look there.
By the way, Houston is also the most ethnically diverse city in the US:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...htmlstory.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_1321089.html
Dallas and Fort Worth aren't as diverse, but it is a great area.
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I have peeked in and out on this thread. I live in the Peoples Republic of California. There are so many things wrong with this state and its philosophy about immigration, taxation, gun control, insurance, public programs, crime prevention, homelessness, on and on. I own several guns and have no desire to shoot them or anyone. I don't own "assault rifles" but I do own guns that will kill any mother f-er that comes in my house, threatens my family or tries to assault me anywhere. Given the $hithole state of this Republic of California, I am happy to be armed with anything at all times. I will not retire in this state and have done my due diligence on the States where the perspective about crime, immigration, social program handouts, family, and ethics match closest to mine. It won't be on coastal cities... You Think? That said. I do believe we need to do better with screening and inter communication between the entities that have information about the high risk gun owners/purchasers out there. We have seen enough failures by the institutions that exist in weening out the crazy and high propensity to violence crazies. Until they get that figured out, I am packin.
Shithole? You live in the worlds 5th largest economy. Your state
Contributes most to taxes to this country and revenue. Also, is one of the least in leaching off the federal government. Move to South Carolina and leech off all of us. The revenue/risk of California to the US is very low. We could lose the entire south and be fine.

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Shithole? You live in the worlds 5th largest economy. Your state
Contributes most to taxes to this country and revenue. Also, is one of the least in leaching off the federal government. Move to South Carolina and leech off all of us. The revenue/risk of California to the US is very low. We could lose the entire south and be fine.
No interest in South Carolina. Least in leaching off the Feds..? ..that's because this state taxes the hell out of its tax paying residents and businesses to pay for the multitude of welfare programs and unreimbursed health care for illegal immigrants. This state is seeing a mass exodus of tax paying residents and businesses.
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Amusingly interesting post.
Houston is almost a coastal city. You might look there.
By the way, Houston is also the most ethnically diverse city in the US:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...htmlstory.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_1321089.html
Dallas and Fort Worth aren't as diverse, but it is a great area.
Lived in Irving and Euless for 7 years. Loved it there. It's on the list.
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