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Old 12-07-2019, 04:42 PM
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There's an awful lot of talk about how Notre Dame can't get a lot of the big name recruits because of the standards at the institution. That got me thinking about ways to mitigate that handicap.

Let's say ND is willing to pony up the cash to get ANY big name position coaches out there. Catch is, CBK has to stay. You can't replace the head coach. You can only get the position coaches/coordinators.

1) By doing this and increasing the coaching to an ELITE level of coaching at the position and coordinator levels, does that change the ability of ND to win a Natty in this era?
2) Who are we going after?

I can answer number one with a resounding yes. I'm a huge believer that elite coaching is what it will take at Notre Dame to win with the current restrictions and college game today. While I would maintain that the head coach certainly makes a difference, I genuinely believe that having quality assistant coaches is more beneficial than having a great head coach. I think if CBK would sack some of his cronies and the administration would give him a blank check to go get top tier coaches from anywhere ND would catapult into the elite level. Just my thinking.

I can't answer number 2. I don't follow a lot of other programs.
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Old 12-07-2019, 05:08 PM
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If I could hire one coach to replace anyone but BK? I’d hire Joe Brady from LSU and have him replace Long. I’d also do whatever I could possible to retain Lea. I believe ND could win a title with this staff If they got an elite QB and a few more 5 stars.

I wouldn’t be shocked if a USC, Texas or even Bama targets Lea.

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Old 12-07-2019, 05:15 PM
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You can hire any number of coaches you want. Just can't replace CBK.
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Old 12-07-2019, 05:36 PM
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We have a good coaching staff.

To get it to elite, the first thing is to get an elite oline coach. I don't know who that is, but it's the first thing I would do.

Second, I'd get a good coach and great recruiter to replace Todd Lyght. Hes a very good coach but he's not recruiting well enough
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Old 12-07-2019, 05:56 PM
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Is Tom Rees considered a good, very good, or excellant recruiter?

Is Tom Rees considered a good, very good, or excellant QB coach?

He is probably someone else who could be upgraded.
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Old 12-07-2019, 06:13 PM
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We are on track to have the best offensive recruiting class in the country next year and the best since the Holtz early days at ND.

I suggest we don't change things and keep getting consistently better as a program.
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Old 12-07-2019, 06:17 PM
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We are on track to have the best offensive recruiting class in the country next year and the best since the Holtz early days at ND.

I suggest we don't change things and keep getting consistently better as a program.
You wouldnít change the o line coach? Iím not sure thereís much of a difference in recruiting, but go watch from 2010-2015. We could line up and push defensive lines around when we need a yard.

We couldnít convert in short yardage against freakin New Mexico.
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:04 PM
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There's an awful lot of talk about how Notre Dame can't get a lot of the big name recruits because of the standards at the institution. That got me thinking about ways to mitigate that handicap.

Let's say ND is willing to pony up the cash to get ANY big name position coaches out there. Catch is, CBK has to stay. You can't replace the head coach. You can only get the position coaches/coordinators.

1) By doing this and increasing the coaching to an ELITE level of coaching at the position and coordinator levels, does that change the ability of ND to win a Natty in this era?
2) Who are we going after?

I can answer number one with a resounding yes. I'm a huge believer that elite coaching is what it will take at Notre Dame to win with the current restrictions and college game today. While I would maintain that the head coach certainly makes a difference, I genuinely believe that having quality assistant coaches is more beneficial than having a great head coach. I think if CBK would sack some of his cronies and the administration would give him a blank check to go get top tier coaches from anywhere ND would catapult into the elite level. Just my thinking.

I can't answer number 2. I don't follow a lot of other programs.
Kelly is the problem. He has to be forced to stop hiring his cronies
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:07 PM
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Get BC OL coach. Consider Addazio for a position too.
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:29 PM
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If I could hire one coach to replace anyone but BK? Iíd hire Joe Brady from LSU and have him replace Long. Iíd also do whatever I could possible to retain Lea. I believe ND could win a title with this staff If they got an elite QB and a few more 5 stars.

I wouldnít be shocked if a USC, Texas or even Bama targets Lea.
I don't think he's leaving unless its for a HC job. That said, I think he'll be the HC at Vandy after next year. Derek Mason is being brought back, but there's no way he turns them around to any significant degree next year.
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:30 PM
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Kelly is the problem. He has to be forced to stop hiring his cronies
Taylor, Lea, Joseph, Long are his "cronies?" What a dumb f***kin comment.
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:35 PM
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Taylor, Lea, Joseph, Long are his "cronies?" What a dumb f***kin comment.
You are so disrespectful on this forum

People disagree with you but are always respectful.

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Old 12-07-2019, 09:08 PM
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You are so disrespectful on this forum

People disagree with you but are always respectful.
Agreed. This needs to change.
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:36 PM
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You are so disrespectful on this forum

People disagree with you but are always respectful.
To be fair, it was a dumb comment. I mean he could have been nicer about it I guess
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:57 PM
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I'd probably switch out Quinn, Lyght and possibly Rees

I'd need to get back to you on who with though, I'm not as up on assistants right now.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:33 AM
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I don't think he's leaving unless its for a HC job. That said, I think he'll be the HC at Vandy after next year. Derek Mason is being brought back, but there's no way he turns them around to any significant degree next year.
I am curious. You seem to always speak in such absolutes, leaving no room for any other answer other than your own opinion as to what will happen regarding future events.

Why did you hedge and actually use the expression "I think" when discussing Lea?

Are you actually acknowledging that you might not know what will happen with 100% certainty and that things such as coaches' movement and their resulting success/failure might actually have more than one possible outcome?
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:57 AM
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Maybe a top flight special teams coach? Iíd love to see some returned kicks rather than fair catches. Maybe without clipping...

And a great QB coach. Love to have QBs progress consistently.
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Old 12-08-2019, 03:20 AM
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Maybe a top flight special teams coach? Iíd love to see some returned kicks rather than fair catches. Maybe without clipping...

And a great QB coach. Love to have QBs progress consistently.
We've got a lot out of a average talent 3 star player. I know everyone wants Book to be better, me included. But hes an average talent and we've got a hell of a lot out of him. I dont get the problem with Rees. Hes gotten a lot out of an average talented player
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:16 AM
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We've got a lot out of a average talent 3 star player. I know everyone wants Book to be better, me included. But hes an average talent and we've got a hell of a lot out of him. I dont get the problem with Rees. Hes gotten a lot out of an average talented player
I actually do not know how good Rees is or is not as either a coach or recruiter.

One question to ask is: Can the other QBs come in and contribute?

If not, whose fault is that?
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:44 AM
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Iím not dissatisfied with what weíve gotten out of Book, but we have a history under Kelly of regression after a QBs first year. Not just Book, but consistently
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:16 AM
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Iím not dissatisfied with what weíve gotten out of Book, but we have a history under Kelly of regression after a QBs first year. Not just Book, but consistently
He didnt regress. Other coaches figured him out. Strengths and weaknesses. Then we adjusted and he ended up withh 33 tds. Pretty good for an average qb
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:17 AM
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I actually do not know how good Rees is or is not as either a coach or recruiter.

One question to ask is: Can the other QBs come in and contribute?

If not, whose fault is that?
We dont know that yet. We know hea done a good job with an average QB
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:34 PM
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To be fair, it was a dumb comment. I mean he could have been nicer about it I guess
I think Elder and Golson5 are actually the same person.......

Kind of like Mitt Romney and Pierre Delecto.....

Basically trying to accomplish the same thing.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:57 PM
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We've got a lot out of a average talent 3 star player. I know everyone wants Book to be better, me included. But hes an average talent and we've got a hell of a lot out of him. I dont get the problem with Rees. Hes gotten a lot out of an average talented player
But the question is, why isnít Phil able to play? #4 QB in his class and he canít beat out a 3* with average talent? Isnít that on the QB coach?
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Old 12-08-2019, 03:17 PM
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I think we lack enough elite players and high quality and depth. I don't think new coordinators are going to make up for that.
People are focusing on the QB- and Book is below guys like Burrow, Fields, Hurts, Tagovailoa etc- but the real quandary is why we don't have an elite
running back like OSU's Dobbins or Wiskys Taylor. With the offensive linemen we can recruit, we should have a powerful running game, but we don't.
Perhaps some of it is Kelly's dink/dunk scheme, but every time we play an elite defense we become one dimensional and it's a problem we should be able to fix.

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