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Old 01-24-2019, 08:51 PM
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Couldn't care less about Columbus day..What they should do is move the nationally recognized holiday to Election day so that more people would have the opportunity to get to the polls...
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Old 01-26-2019, 12:58 AM
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Couldn't care less about Columbus day..What they should do is move the nationally recognized holiday to Election day so that more people would have the opportunity to get to the polls...
You couldnít care less about the celebration day of the guy who found the country you live in?

Another spectacular take from jschell.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:14 AM
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You couldn’t care less about the celebration day of the guy who found the country you live in?

Another spectacular take from jschell.
I wanted to leave this place in respectful manner, but I just cannot. I’d rather be banned and speak the real truth. I am sorry are you ignorant on the research on Columbus or do you really support him? Before I take you to the woodshed give me an answer. I am sure you are just ignorant and do not support genocide. Please use google etc before you respond.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:33 AM
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You couldnít care less about the celebration day of the guy who found the country you live in?

Another spectacular take from jschell.
Columbus found America?

He was hardly the first European to "find" North America.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:33 AM
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People in our time are such pu$$ies. Whatever happened to sticks and stones. Grow a pair. History is history and history is brutal. It just is. Deal with it, but some events established the modern world we live in today, regardless how brutal the event was. Without it, we wouldnít be here. I hate people.
And they hate you. You support Hitler? Just bring it out. Let it come out you love hitler. Columbus was an the idiot version, you love him and you love hitler. Just let it all out you pos.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:35 AM
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Columbus found America?

He was hardly the first European to "find" North America.
Why would it matter, first European? I agree with you, but why would it matter?

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Old 01-26-2019, 05:49 AM
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Look I am just going to end this thread. Columbus was a swindler that got some coin to get a fleet from the queen to get a crew and boats to go to the America’s, he ended up in the Caribbean, killed thousands of people for some fake gold and came back in shame. Instead of writing that story, a storyteller for the time wrote a story of glory discovering new land. This was a fiction work of art. Then the Italians came to this country and were treated like ****, they told this story of Columbus to the ignorantenglush people which accepted it as truth and thus accepted the Italians as one of them, which was the goal of the Italians to assimilate. The italins were smart and not wrong, but the fact he is celebrated is crazy. Not only did Columbus pillage, murder and steal. He also sold sex slaves as young as 9 years old. And y’all want to support him and a painting of him? **** you!
Columbus wrote the **** himself https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/columbus-sex-slaves/

Y’all support sex slavery for 9 year olds? Didn’t think so...

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Old 01-26-2019, 01:14 PM
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What have you done to the thread I started?

Turned it into a debate on sex slaves?

This was a conversation about the covering of a painting, and you guys CANíT STOP attacking each other personally.

For once, just ONCE, canít you respect the opinions of someone else without becoming a monster if you disagree?
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What have you done to the thread I started?

Turned it into a debate on sex slaves?

This was a conversation about the covering of a painting, and you guys CAN’T STOP attacking each other personally.

For once, just ONCE, can’t you respect the opinions of someone else without becoming a monster if you disagree?
No, there is a reason that ND is removing the painting, your thread was a link and pretty much left it open for people to have disagreements. And nope I can not respect an opinion of someone who wants to keep the painting because “he found America” or some other asinine reason. I would rather educate. Columbus was a Monster and if people want a picture celebrating him AND know what he did, they are also monsters. I don’t think they know, so I educated them in Columbus selling little girls, what is wrong with that?

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I'm sure you have changed his position with your "educating." I'm pretty sure that despite your justifications, the person you accused does not, in fact, advocate genocide.

Well done. Now if there's anyone else who has an opinion that you have more information on, you can feel justified in belittling a person who has less information.

Maybe you can best a child, if nobody else is available.
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Can we just look at this from the fact that the University wants to cover up beautiful murals that have been there for 135 years? They're historic because of the beauty of them and the role Columbus has been revered in the Catholic Church as an evangelist. I'd be ok if they could figure out a way to remove them from the walls without damaging them. Since they have stated it can't be done, these tapestries/covers need to look damn good.
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You couldnít care less about the celebration day of the guy who found the country you live in?

Another spectacular take from jschell.
Hahaha... Joe, itís better that you keep your mouth shut and let people think youíre an idiot instead of speaking and removing all doubt...
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Why would it matter, first European? I agree with you, but why would it matter?
As I alluded to in an earlier post, there is evidence suggesting that the Western Hemisphere has been visited by a number of people from Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Pacific Islands centuries before Columbus.

Going even further back, arguments have been made that there were migrations beside the Bering land bridge crossing when the sea levels were much lower during the last ice age. It's quite fascinating stuff in that we don't give our ancient ancestors enough credit to keep exploring what's over that next horizon.
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I'm sure you have changed his position with your "educating." I'm pretty sure that despite your justifications, the person you accused does not, in fact, advocate genocide.

Well done. Now if there's anyone else who has an opinion that you have more information on, you can feel justified in belittling a person who has less information.

Maybe you can best a child, if nobody else is available.
I best 50 year olds who claim they graduated from ND law, I don’t target children although they may be the same. Anyways, I was making general statement, if anyone supports Columbus and general positive reflections of himAND knowing what he did should be shunned. That was what I said. If you referring to Brasco over there, I was not specifically targeting him, although maybe he deserved it going after someone else without facts. Do you have something to say on your topic on how you feel about the paintings being covered/ taken down or do you just want to post general links and come after me for no reason? You mad that I exposed Columbus? I mean what was the point of your thread if you did not feel like it was crontroversal for them to remove it. You won’t admit it, but I educated you as well.

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Can we just look at this from the fact that the University wants to cover up beautiful murals that have been there for 135 years? They're historic because of the beauty of them and the role Columbus has been revered in the Catholic Church as an evangelist. I'd be ok if they could figure out a way to remove them from the walls without damaging them. Since they have stated it can't be done, these tapestries/covers need to look damn good.
I’m sure Germany covered some nice murals of hitler. Get over it. If Columbus wrote some books and the books were being banned that would be a 1st amendment issues. This is a private business making a business decision that they don’t want to glorify a 9 year old year sex slaver and genocider on their walls. They are not that beautiful and he is not revered and defiantly should not be. Do you revere him? Maybe you revere the child molesting priests too. I am catholic but have to seriously consider every time I step in the church, would I go to Jimmy Johns if 1000+ of their employees molested children? So I now avoid that place unless holidays. Still love Jesus though.

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The world must be such an angry place for you.
I’m personally happy as hell. The world is not pretty though and neither is some history that has been fabricated over the years. If we know how ****** it is a few of us can speak up and make it better. We must not glorify people who are evil.

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I guess I need to quit being so surprised that the anonymity of the internet makes it so easy to say such terrible things to and about each other. It seems that respectful discourse is not possible on the internet.
I wish the moderators of DomerDomain would step in and put an end to these threads when the personal attacks begin. These types of attacks never accomplish a thing. They never make the attacked acquiesce nor do they make the attacker look good. No one ever wins these arguments and everyone looks ridiculous.
Please please please lock this thread.
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:35 PM
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And they hate you. You support Hitler? Just bring it out. Let it come out you love hitler. Columbus was an the idiot version, you love him and you love hitler. Just let it all out you pos.
Uh huh... Exactly. You're analysis is too simple because you can't comprehend or deal with human history. You can't rewrite it no matter how hard you try just because the actions of the past haven't "aged well." I'm sure whatever bs you support has its own history of brutality. I mean, you act like a Russian troll, so maybe we should talk about Stalin or Mao and their implementation of socialist, liberal policies. Maybe we should talk about Venezuela or Cuba. Hell, maybe we should talk about our allies in Europe - Britain and France - who each have their own brutal histories.

The reality is that history has been brutal until relatively recently. Tell me a nation who didn't brutally espouse or evangelize its values and impose them upon cultures who were defeated through bloodshed. There is not one that you can cite. You just need to quit curling up in ball about it and under understand that brutality and hypocrisy are par for the course when it comes to the evolution of civilization.

Are we going to remove everything Dr. King stood for because he plagiarized his doctoral these at Boston University? Are we going ignore that Werner Von Braun started our space program since he was a former Nazi? Are we going to remove George Washington from everything because he owned slaves? Maybe we should remove Thomas Edison from the history books for electrocuting animals to death to prove AC power was too dangerous? Let's remove Winston Churchill for starving 3 million folks in India. Let's erase Mother Theresa because she opposed women's equality. Heck, let's wipe out Lincoln's legacy since he often used the N word - we can probably add every founding father or American of note through the 1800's and early 1900's to that one... Henry Ford is out the window because his business openly supported the Nazis and he was not shy about his hatred of Jewish people.

History is full of examples of people who influenced the course of history and progress, but whose actions, thoughts, and views do not age well in our current society. However, that's been human reality for millenia and you simply can comprehend or acknowledge that all of these unsavory things are woven into the fabric of human history. Our views, today, are the culmination of all of that learning and progress, but our civilized views have had to evolve just as our understanding of science and technology have had to evolve. You can't have and iphone without black and white television or Atari. To throw everything out the window because you can't handle it today is simply unrealistic and shows a real lack of understanding the world in general.

Have you considered what the world would be like if you removed all of these people from it? We would be hundreds of years behind where we are. Our prosperity, today, which is the direct result of ALL these offensive people has been cultivated by the accumulation of all these people who have changed history. If these people had not changed the course of human history, regardless of the brutality that occurred simultaneously, we would be hundreds or thousands of years behind.

Columbus helped open the gateway to America which created an avenue for persecuted peoples from Europe to escape and bring new ideas of tolerance, regardless how basic or hypocritically applied, and allowed those ideas to flourish. Those ideas gradually turned into the United States which has fought to protect or establish those ideas for other peoples. Look at Freedom of Navigation. The U.S. established its navy to fight those dictators and bullies who charged you to trade on the high seas or else be sunk. The U.S. not only established its navy to protect itself, but used its navy to protect everyone else for the same reasons. You can see this most recently with our conflicts with China in the South China Sea.

Everything that has occurred in the past has pushed us forward to this moment, now, and you have to take all of it with the good AND the bad. You can't just ignore it. If Columbus doesn't discover America, some other nasty nation would have and would likely have been just as brutal if not worse. Hell, its not like the indigenous people were saints themselves, either.

So, my entire rant is about people like you who can't see past their noses and understand the world. Everything has to fit neatly in your little box where mottos, hashtags, and pop culture rule the day, not a true, in-depth understanding of humanity, history, or the web of interactions and priorities that have ultimately culminated into our modern world. It really is a mark of weakness to NOT accept our past and recognize the impact on humanity that certain people have had.

But hey, James, pick your typical liberal jab and throw it at me - I'm either a racist or a nazi when you can't provide any sort of substantive rebuttal to an argument with merit. Oh wait, you have a new one - I like genocide. I'm a regular Idi Amin... But, if I'm Idi, you're Pol Pot.
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I guess I need to quit being so surprised that the anonymity of the internet makes it so easy to say such terrible things to and about each other. It seems that respectful discourse is not possible on the internet.
I wish the moderators of DomerDomain would step in and put an end to these threads when the personal attacks begin. These types of attacks never accomplish a thing. They never make the attacked acquiesce nor do they make the attacker look good. No one ever wins these arguments and everyone looks ridiculous.
Please please please lock this thread.
Unfortunately, I think this nation is in a soft civil war. Civil discourse is often one-sided and allows the other side's point of view to continually creep towards its direction if you don't fight against it with the same tactics. Civility is partially what lost the British the Revolutionary War... Liberalism is truly damaging this nation with its hypocrisy, labeling, sensitivities, and general inability to be accountable and deal with reality. You have to fight it tooth and nail.
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Iím sure Germany covered some nice murals of hitler. Get over it. If Columbus wrote some books and the books were being banned that would be a 1st amendment issues. This is a private business making a business decision that they donít want to glorify a 9 year old year sex slaver and genocider on their walls. They are not that beautiful and he is not revered and defiantly should not be. Do you revere him? Maybe you revere the child molesting priests too. I am catholic but have to seriously consider every time I step in the church, would I go to Jimmy Johns if 1000+ of their employees molested children? So I now avoid that place unless holidays. Still love Jesus though.
You need to see a shrink. Your world view is truly disturbing.
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