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Old 12-20-2019, 12:35 PM
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I am sure most of you have seen this, but it popped up on my Google feed yesterday and I figured I would share.

I find it very interesting how it starts "The days of Notre Dame finishing in the top five of college football recruiting rankings are over, probably for good."

https://247sports.com/college/notre-...ing-140845364/
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Old 12-20-2019, 03:37 PM
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I think this is a good article because it really illustrates that BK finally figured out that "program fits" are more important than trying to snag every 5-star. Don't get me wrong, ND needs 5-stars (Johnson, Tyree, Hamilton, Jaylon, Manti, etc.), but those guys need to be all in and know what ND is about. I'm not saying never take a guy like Aaron Lynch or Davonte Neal, but those guys can be absolute headaches. I'm glad the staff has figured out that fit is key.

I do disagree with Prister when he says that the days over recruiting Top 5 classes are over. ND has a borderline Top 10 (#11 based on 247 Composite) class right now, and they have the lowest number of commits of any team in the Top 10, besides Texas. If you list the teams based on average player ranking (247 Composite), here is how the Top 10 looks:

1. Clemson (93.65)
1. Georgia (93.65)
3. Alabama (93.48 )
4. LSU (92.93)
5. Texas (91.85)
6. Ohio State (91.82)
7. Texas A&M (91.27)
8. Auburn (90.88 )
9. Notre Dame (90.66)
10. Oklahoma (90.45)

If ND doesn't strike out on all four of Clark Phillips/Jalen Kimber/Ryan Watts/Dontae Manning and can replace Bartleson/Lewis/Offord with one or two of those guys, this class looks a lot different rankings wise. Obviously a lot of "ifs," "ands," and "buts," but still something to consider.

ND has 4 Top 50 commits, one of only six schools to do so: Clemson (7), Ohio State (6), Georgia (5), Alabama (4), LSU (4). That's pretty good company.

ND is off to a great start in 2021, with 2 Top 50 commits and 5 in the Top 100 (the 6th recruit is ranked #104, and the 7th is #218 ). This seems to happen every year though - ND gets off to a hot start, but then rounds out the class with lower ranked guys. I think 2021 will probably be another small class, so ND won't finish in the Top 5 rankings wise, but if you look at the high-end talent (Top 50/Top 100), then ND is competing with the best of the best.
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I think it is fine not being in the top 10 if we are constantly low on numbers and we are getting highly rated guys. Top 100...That tells me that we have depth and are sustaining it so that should mean we are pretty good. But ND needs to hit homeruns on certain positions every cycle- QB, DL, Corner, OL and either running back or wr. Thatís 6 guys(5 Stars) for every quarter. That shouldnít be that difficult now that depth is there. They hit on two skill guys already in Tyree and Johnson. They need to hit either corner, DL, or safety next.
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I think it is fine not being in the top 10 if we are constantly low on numbers and we are getting highly rated guys. Top 100...That tells me that we have depth and are sustaining it so that should mean we are pretty good. But ND needs to hit homeruns on certain positions every cycle- QB, DL, Corner, OL and either running back or wr. Thatís 6 guys(5 Stars) for every quarter. That shouldnít be that difficult now that depth is there. They hit on two skill guys already in Tyree and Johnson. They need to hit either corner, DL, or safety next.
ND's issue is it needs a few more elite/NFL first round type players. The team is good enough to compete with the best teams in the country from player 10-85. The problem is, Bama, Clemson, Ohio St., LSU, etc. are far ahead from player 1-10. If ND can close that gap and there are indications they are, that is where the team will go from top 15 type team to top 3-5 type team.
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ND's issue is it needs a few more elite/NFL first round type players. The team is good enough to compete with the best teams in the country from player 10-85. The problem is, Bama, Clemson, Ohio St., LSU, etc. are far ahead from player 1-10. If ND can close that gap and there are indications they are, that is where the team will go from top 15 type team to top 3-5 type team.

We need a first round QB type.
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We need a first round QB type.
For sure, but take the same team from this year, but sub in Jerry Tillery, Jaylon Smith, Will Fuller and a top 2-3 RB.

ND isn't Alabama or Clemson at that point, but they'd sure be a heck of a lot closer. Throw in your first round QB and ND is a title contender.

The problem is getting those 4-5 first rounders on every team (between So-Sr class, I understand they won't have 4-5 first round picks every year), not having to go back 10 years to find 4.
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For sure, but take the same team from this year, but sub in Jerry Tillery, Jaylon Smith, Will Fuller and a top 2-3 RB.

ND isn't Alabama or Clemson at that point, but they'd sure be a heck of a lot closer. Throw in your first round QB and ND is a title contender.

The problem is getting those 4-5 first rounders on every team (between So-Sr class, I understand they won't have 4-5 first round picks every year), not having to go back 10 years to find 4.
For the sake of accuracy, ND has had these first rounders:

2019: Tillery

2018: Nelson
2018: McGlinchey

2016: Stanley
2016: Fuller
2016: J. Smith (counting him as 1st round since injury in bowl game only reason he dropped)
(BTW SEVEN PICKS IN THE FIST 4 rounds, 6 in first 3 rounds = waste of talented roster in 2015 season)

2014: Z. Martin (8 picks overall)

2013: Eifert

2012: Floyd
2012: H. Smith

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I would argue that it not necessarily first round picks but total picks where ND has been lacking. It appears that ND needs to produce 6+ picks a year (every year) to be considered a perennial Top 10 program talent-wise. Not that unreasonable if you think of it this way:

OL: 1+ a year should be easy
TE/QB/RB/WR: 2 per year - (every four years, I can see having 2 TEs, 1 QB, 2 RBs, and 3 WRs get drafted)

DL: 1 a year
LB: 1 a year
DB: 1 a year

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We need a first round QB type.
Thatís the biggest issue with ND recruiting and Iíll stand up for Kelly to keep his job, but he needs to get better at hitting the mark on QBs. Iím not particularly high on Pyne. He throws with nice accuracy, but doesnít have much arm strength. Buchner checks all of the boxes, they need him to pan out more than any other recruit.

As weíve seen, unless your Bama and the other 21 positions are 5*, you canít win without a stud QB.
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We need an NFL defensive line, solid O Line and a Blue Chip signal caller if I'm trying to be concise.


You can mask a lot of issues up front if you can 2 gap and you have to be able to pass pro and run the ball to keep the other team honest.. It doesnt matter if you have Randy Moss or Antonio Brown if you can't hold a pocket for 3.5 seconds and


Deion Sanders will get torched if your guys can't get home or shut down the run on the D Line.


We need more Stephon Tuitt, Aaron Lynch, Okwara brothers etc etc.
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You guys are absolutely Correct. We are a few NFL starters away. With that said our defense has a chance to be REALLY REALLY GOOD next year.. You add Prior to Hamilton and potentially Gilman. A front with potentially ADE and Daelyn Hayes. guys at DT and LB a year older that's a good group. Some questions at corner but then you at it too Book, Kmet Lenzy, Johnson, Tyree, maybe Austin and you get one of the most solid teams Kelly has ever fielded
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We need a first round QB type.
Buchner...
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ND's issue is it needs a few more elite/NFL first round type players. The team is good enough to compete with the best teams in the country from player 10-85. The problem is, Bama, Clemson, Ohio St., LSU, etc. are far ahead from player 1-10. If ND can close that gap and there are indications they are, that is where the team will go from top 15 type team to top 3-5 type team.
Excellent post this is spot on.

College football has become so top heavy it is almost boring. Clemson, Ohio State, and Alabama’s classes are so incredible that it is hard for any teams in the second tier to imagine catching them.
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I agree with a lot of what the article mentions. I'm glad the coaching staff is placing focus on fit and it usually pays off. ND can have a recruiting class consistently in the top 10 or 15 if....

I have a bit of an issue of the administration not stepping up to pay coaches more. If the team identifies a coach that is doing a great job, they should do everything possible to keep him. Having the best coaches can overcome some shortcomings on the recruiting side.
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We need an NFL defensive line, solid O Line and a Blue Chip signal caller if I'm trying to be concise.


You can mask a lot of issues up front if you can 2 gap and you have to be able to pass pro and run the ball to keep the other team honest.. It doesnt matter if you have Randy Moss or Antonio Brown if you can't hold a pocket for 3.5 seconds and


Deion Sanders will get torched if your guys can't get home or shut down the run on the D Line.


We need more Stephon Tuitt, Aaron Lynch, Okwara brothers etc etc.
I agree. The QB position has to be by far the hardest transition from high school level to big time college program. Without a strong line on both offense and defense you canít win. The QB needs those extra seconds to properly distribute the ball to the skill players. A Blue Chip QB with a strong OL/DL line I believe Should be the number one priority.
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I almost think teams are getting nervous about ND's recruiting. We are getting top players that are also RKG - coming into a great program with great facilities and S&C. Hence the negative articles when we have #1 class. Our offense has all the potential going forward to be among the best in the country.
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ND's issue is it needs a few more elite/NFL first round type players. The team is good enough to compete with the best teams in the country from player 10-85. The problem is, Bama, Clemson, Ohio St., LSU, etc. are far ahead from player 1-10. If ND can close that gap and there are indications they are, that is where the team will go from top 15 type team to top 3-5 type team.
Exactly. Which is why I have no problem with an Aaron Lynch kinda player. He was a bit of a hot head and Kitty worshiper, but that dude was a beast. I also have been ranting about getting away from the dual threat scheme and qbs smaller in stature
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