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Offensive lineman Alex Bars, wide receiver Miles Boykin, linebacker Te'von Coney, cornerback Julian Love, tight end Alizé Mack, defensive lineman Jerry Tillery, linebacker Drue Tranquill and running back Dexter Williams have each received an invitation to the prestigious event.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:24 PM
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Is the ND of invitations extended to ND players higher than in recent years? Anecdotally, it seems to be higher, but I don't have the data to prove or disprove that.
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[quote]2019 (8 ): Alex Bars, Miles Boykin, Te'von Coney, Julian Love, Alizé Mack, Drue Tranquill, Dexter Williams
2018 (5): Josh Adams, Mike McGlinchey, Quenton Nelson, Durham Smythe, Equanimeous St. Brown
2017 (3): DeShone Kizer, Jarron Jones, Isaac Rochell
2016 (10): Chris Brown, Sheldon Day, Will Fuller, Nick Martin, Romeo Okwara, C.J. Prosise, KeiVarae Russell, Elijah Shumate, Jaylon Smith, Ronnie Stanley
2015 (3): Kyle Brindza, DaVaris Daniels, Ben Koyack
2014 (9): George Atkinson III, Bennett Jackson, TJ Jones, Zack Martin, Troy Niklas, Louis Nix III, Prince Shembo, Stephon Tuitt, Chris Watt
2013 (8 ): Braxston Cave, Tyler Eifert, Kapron Lewis-Moore, Zeke Motta, Theo Riddick, Jamoris Slaughter, Manti Te'o, Cierre Wood
2012 (6): Robert Blanton, Taylor Dever, Darius Fleming, Michael Floyd, Jonas Gray, Harrison Smith
2011 (3): Armando Allen, Kyle Rudolph, Ian Williams
2010 (5): Jimmy Clausen, Kyle McCarthy, Eric Olsen, Golden Tate, Sam Young
2009 (1): David Bruton
2008 (4): John Carlson, Trevor Laws, John Sullivan, Tom Zbikowski
2007 (6): Victor Abiamiri, Ryan Harris, Chinedum Ndukwe, Brady Quinn, Dan Santucci, Darius Walker
2006 (3): Anthony Fasano, Dan Stevenson, Maurice Stovall
2005 (3): Jerome Collins, Mike Goolsby, Ryan Grant
2004 (7): Darrell Campbell, Vontez Duff, Glenn Earl, Cedric Hilliard, Julius Jones, Jim Molinaro, Courtney Watson
2003 (7): Arnaz Battle, Jordan Black, Brennan Curtin, Tom Lopienski, Sean Mahan, Gerome Sapp, Shane Walton
2002 (10): Rocky Boiman, Tony Fisher, David Givens, Tyreo Harrison, Javin Hunter, Grant Irons, Ron Isreal, John Owens, Kurt Vollers, Anthony Weaver
2001 (4): Mike Gandy, Jabari Holloway, Dan O'Leary, Brock Williams
2000 (2): Lamont Bryant, Jarious Jackson
1999 (5): Autry Denson, Bobbie Howard, Kory Minor, Luke Petitgout, Jerry Wisne
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[quote=FaithInIrishForever;721715][quote]2019 (8 ): Alex Bars, Miles Boykin, Te'von Coney, Julian Love, Alizé Mack, Drue Tranquill, Dexter Williams
2018 (5): Josh Adams, Mike McGlinchey, Quenton Nelson, Durham Smythe, Equanimeous St. Brown
2017 (3): DeShone Kizer, Jarron Jones, Isaac Rochell
2016 (10): Chris Brown, Sheldon Day, Will Fuller, Nick Martin, Romeo Okwara, C.J. Prosise, KeiVarae Russell, Elijah Shumate, Jaylon Smith, Ronnie Stanley
2015 (3): Kyle Brindza, DaVaris Daniels, Ben Koyack
2014 (9): George Atkinson III, Bennett Jackson, TJ Jones, Zack Martin, Troy Niklas, Louis Nix III, Prince Shembo, Stephon Tuitt, Chris Watt
2013 (8 ): Braxston Cave, Tyler Eifert, Kapron Lewis-Moore, Zeke Motta, Theo Riddick, Jamoris Slaughter, Manti Te'o, Cierre Wood
2012 (6): Robert Blanton, Taylor Dever, Darius Fleming, Michael Floyd, Jonas Gray, Harrison Smith
2011 (3): Armando Allen, Kyle Rudolph, Ian Williams
2010 (5): Jimmy Clausen, Kyle McCarthy, Eric Olsen, Golden Tate, Sam Young
2009 (1): David Bruton
2008 (4): John Carlson, Trevor Laws, John Sullivan, Tom Zbikowski
2007 (6): Victor Abiamiri, Ryan Harris, Chinedum Ndukwe, Brady Quinn, Dan Santucci, Darius Walker
2006 (3): Anthony Fasano, Dan Stevenson, Maurice Stovall
2005 (3): Jerome Collins, Mike Goolsby, Ryan Grant
2004 (7): Darrell Campbell, Vontez Duff, Glenn Earl, Cedric Hilliard, Julius Jones, Jim Molinaro, Courtney Watson
2003 (7): Arnaz Battle, Jordan Black, Brennan Curtin, Tom Lopienski, Sean Mahan, Gerome Sapp, Shane Walton
2002 (10): Rocky Boiman, Tony Fisher, David Givens, Tyreo Harrison, Javin Hunter, Grant Irons, Ron Isreal, John Owens, Kurt Vollers, Anthony Weaver
2001 (4): Mike Gandy, Jabari Holloway, Dan O'Leary, Brock Williams
2000 (2): Lamont Bryant, Jarious Jackson
1999 (5): Autry Denson, Bobbie Howard, Kory Minor, Luke Petitgout, Jerry Wisne
2009.... ouf
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Player development matters, it doesn't matter how many stars they were rated at by recruiting services coming out of HS.

The same holds true from HS to college to the pros. College projections are about as worthless as NFL projections unless a team is prepared to develop talent.
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Player development matters, it doesn't matter how many stars they were rated at by recruiting services coming out of HS.

The same holds true from HS to college to the pros. College projections are about as worthless as NFL projections unless a team is prepared to develop talent.
Always agreed with this. Early Longo 10-12 and Balis 2017-2018 have put ND in position to play with the best. Just gotta keep on this track for awhile then things could geet really good.
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NFL prospect evaluations for ND Combine participants. Interesting write-ups at the URL under each players profile.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

JULIAN LOVE 6.10 - SHOULD BECOME INSTANT STARTER
JERRY TILLERY 6.03 - SHOULD BECOME INSTANT STARTER
DEXTER WILLIAMS 5.78 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
TE'VON CONEY 5.64 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
MILES BOYKIN 5.54 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
ALIZE MACK 5.50 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
ALEX BARS 5.25 - NFL BACKUP OR SPECIAL TEAMS POTENTIAL
DRUE TRANQUILL 5.02 - BETTER-THAN-AVERAGE CHANCE TO MAKE NFL ROSTER

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That looks reasonable to me, jbrown.
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NFL prospect evaluations for ND Combine participants. Interesting write-ups at the URL under each players profile.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

JULIAN LOVE 6.10 - SHOULD BECOME INSTANT STARTER
JERRY TILLERY 6.03 - SHOULD BECOME INSTANT STARTER
DEXTER WILLIAMS 5.78 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
TE'VON CONEY 5.64 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
MILES BOYKIN 5.54 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
ALIZE MACK 5.50 - CHANCE TO BECOME NFL STARTER
ALEX BARS 5.25 - NFL BACKUP OR SPECIAL TEAMS POTENTIAL
DRUE TRANQUILL 5.02 - BETTER-THAN-AVERAGE CHANCE TO MAKE NFL ROSTER
Pretty surprised on Boykin. He was a good WR at ND, but I don't know if he has the measurables to be a starting WR in the NFL. Same with Mack. Unlike Boykin, he will have the measurables, but I just don't see it based on his actual play.

I wonder if Bars rating is affected due to his injury. He was really solid in the first half of this season - I thought he'd be a drafted in the 3rd or 4th round.

Drue is going to surprise some people. He will be a special teams ace and maybe even a LB in certain packages. I can see him having a good career.
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Pretty surprised on Boykin. He was a good WR at ND, but I don't know if he has the measurables to be a starting WR in the NFL. Same with Mack. Unlike Boykin, he will have the measurables, but I just don't see it based on his actual play.

I wonder if Bars rating is affected due to his injury. He was really solid in the first half of this season - I thought he'd be a drafted in the 3rd or 4th round.

Drue is going to surprise some people. He will be a special teams ace and maybe even a LB in certain packages. I can see him having a good career.
Drue has closing speed. He will surprise.
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Pretty surprised on Boykin. He was a good WR at ND, but I don't know if he has the measurables to be a starting WR in the NFL. Same with Mack. Unlike Boykin, he will have the measurables, but I just don't see it based on his actual play.

I wonder if Bars rating is affected due to his injury. He was really solid in the first half of this season - I thought he'd be a drafted in the 3rd or 4th round.

Drue is going to surprise some people. He will be a special teams ace and maybe even a LB in certain packages. I can see him having a good career.
Boykin probably projects as a possession type of receiver, maybe a red zone threat. I think there's a roster spot for him someplace but not as a starter/WR1, 2 or 3.
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Boykin probably projects as a possession type of receiver, maybe a red zone threat. I think there's a roster spot for him someplace but not as a starter/WR1, 2 or 3.
Here is the NFL.com write-up on Boykin:

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Lingering on his tape can cause excessive focus on his inconsistencies and areas of improvement, but projecting his traits with additional coaching makes more sense. Boykin's size, length and athleticism offers exciting potential as an outside receiver with mismatch potential, but he will have to learn how to counter press, improve his routes and become more competitive when the ball is in the air. His size won't matter if he doesn't learn to impose it on others. If that happens, he'll become an eventual starter with a high ceiling.

Strengths
Rare size and length
Loose hips with long, strides to get on top of cornerbacks quickly
Athleticism and body control to pivot and twist for back shoulder catches
Adequate sink to drop, anchor and present
Meets throws with good arm extension away from his body
Size causes cornerbacks to panic and interfere downfield
High-point will be highest on the field
Tape full of leaping grabs
Traits to become more efficient as intermediate route-runner
Could become very good blocker with more play strength

Weaknesses
Hasn't learned to counter press jabs with his hands
Allows press corners to grind on him
Stride length limits burst out of the top of his route
Needs to finish his in-breaking routes
Below-average downfield adjustments
Cornerbacks are allowed to crowd his chest
Needs more aggressiveness and play strength
Catch focus runs hot and cold
Limited yardage after the catch on levels 1 and 2.
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Here is the NFL.com write-up on Boykin:
This is one of the better write ups I've seen NFL.com make. Used to read these all the time. For Boykin I think this is pretty spot on. I think people confuse catch point grabs as playing strong, and that is simply not true. They did a good job of highlighting that as a strength and play strength as something that can be improved.


FWIW, I think the same could be said for Mack and Claypool. Would love to see Claypool improve his play strength this year, both at the line of scrimmage and downfield.
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Yikes. Dexter ran a 4.57. He certainly appears to play faster than the stopwatch, but that number likely hurts him. He probably has to ran at ND's Pro Day.
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Yikes. Dexter ran a 4.57. He certainly appears to play faster than the stopwatch, but that number likely hurts him. He probably has to ran at ND's Pro Day.
There's track speed and football speed and one does not always equate to the other. Straight line speed doesn't gauge eye speed, reaction time or the ability to make quick cuts to avoid tackles.

Well, that and what's between a player's ears inside his head...
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Boykin 4.42? I didn’t think he played that fast.. so far he has looked great athletically. I did think he would do this well. Did we not utilize him enough? Or did it not translate as well to the field?
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Boykin 4.42? I didn’t think he played that fast.. so far he has looked great athletically. I did think he would do this well. Did we not utilize him enough? Or did it not translate as well to the field?
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4.42 for Boykin is shocking to me. He's basically Calvin Johnson-light at that speed. Johnson ran 4.35.
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Todd Todd Todd just said Boykin is killing it in the combine.
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That's a surprise by Boykin, I wonder what the splits were. He never struck me as being that quick off the line, more one of those guys that build speed after maybe ten yards or so.
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Boykin - 43.5" Vertical - unofficial.

That is as big as 40 time.

He is testing himself into the second round at this rate.

He has great hands.
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I had to do a double take that there was not another Miles Boykin coming out of some MAC program.

That can't be right. Seriously, I thought he was going to grow into a TE.
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