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Old 09-30-2019, 08:41 PM
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Book's happy feet doesn't help their cause. There have been numerous times this season the initial pocket shrinks and instead of stepping up into the pocket Ian takes off running. They haven't been great, more very good.
How many unblocked Defenders had open shots at Book Saturday? Book shares a lot of blame, but annoys me to see the OL not getting any push back. You canít give Defenses wide open shots at the QB.
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So you forget how much Kizer threw it in the dirt his last year? He sucked...
The whole team sucked that year. Kizer sniffed the NFL, which is way better than most college QBs ever do. Kizer was no world-beater, but if he were the QB now, I think we'd be 4-0.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:13 PM
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The whole team sucked that year. Kizer sniffed the NFL, which is way better than most college QBs ever do. Kizer was no world-beater, but if he were the QB now, I think we'd be 4-0.
No way on 4-0... Clausen "sniffed" the NFL as well... Kizer is sniffing it at the Browns...
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How many unblocked Defenders had open shots at Book Saturday? Book shares a lot of blame, but annoys me to see the OL not getting any push back. You canít give Defenses wide open shots at the QB.
I completely agree with this! The O-Line was letting a lot of defenders go by unblocked, which did cause Book to get the happy feet and roll out.
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I completely agree with this! The O-Line was letting a lot of defenders go by unblocked, which did cause Book to get the happy feet and roll out.
Some of that is the QB getting them into the right protections. No way to know if the OL isnít blocking well or if the QB is telling them to block the wrong people.
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:57 PM
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How many unblocked Defenders had open shots at Book Saturday? Book shares a lot of blame, but annoys me to see the OL not getting any push back. You canít give Defenses wide open shots at the QB.
I remember one, where Eichenberg didn't block the man on him and instead blocked an inside blitzer. However, Book calls the protections and has to deal with the resulting pass rush. So, I'm not sure if it was Eichenberg's error, or Book's. It was a mental error, not a physical one.

The fact is that Book is short and every team will concentrate on jamming up the inside rush to make Book bail, due to his inability to see downfield over 6'6" linemen. This is the book on Book and it works. You rarely see a wide pocket, because defenses are jamming the inside rush. Defenses would get punished by this, and do at times, by a running QB, but Book isn't fast enough to really punish a team. Add in that a lot of times this happens on 3rd an 10, and Book can't run for the first down. So, he bails and holds the ball and often throws to a receiver inside the yardage needed for a first down. If he had a stronger arm, he could punish teams throwing deep on the run, but he doesn't. So, Book is Book and nothing is going to improve.
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No way on 4-0... Clausen "sniffed" the NFL as well... Kizer is sniffing it at the Browns...
Kizer is with the Raiders. He was with Green Bay last year, and Cleveland the year before.
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He will be with Walmart next year. He should have stayed the extra year at ND
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I remember one, where Eichenberg didn't block the man on him and instead blocked an inside blitzer. However, Book calls the protections and has to deal with the resulting pass rush. So, I'm not sure if it was Eichenberg's error, or Book's. It was a mental error, not a physical one.

The fact is that Book is short and every team will concentrate on jamming up the inside rush to make Book bail, due to his inability to see downfield over 6'6" linemen. This is the book on Book and it works. You rarely see a wide pocket, because defenses are jamming the inside rush. Defenses would get punished by this, and do at times, by a running QB, but Book isn't fast enough to really punish a team. Add in that a lot of times this happens on 3rd an 10, and Book can't run for the first down. So, he bails and holds the ball and often throws to a receiver inside the yardage needed for a first down. If he had a stronger arm, he could punish teams throwing deep on the run, but he doesn't. So, Book is Book and nothing is going to improve.
I like this analysis. Says something more about the lack of development/skills of Jurkovic. Otherwise he would and should be playing.
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Is this whole discussion coming down to the obvious fact that we are not recruiting the right QBs and/or running the right offense?
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Book has proven to be fine, yes hes probably hit his 3 star ceiling but hes still a very good college qb who with a good surrounding cast can consistently get double digit wins. Do I think an elite QB would take this team over the top? Maybe, but I'm not convinced hes on this team and you dont just try it out for fun when your current QB has you ranked in the top 10 and has won a helluva lot more then hes lost. And I'm not the biggest book fan at all, just being realistic
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Book has proven to be fine, yes hes probably hit his 3 star ceiling but hes still a very good college qb who with a good surrounding cast can consistently get double digit wins. Do I think an elite QB would take this team over the top? Maybe, but I'm not convinced hes on this team and you dont just try it out for fun when your current QB has you ranked in the top 10 and has won a helluva lot more then hes lost. And I'm not the biggest book fan at all, just being realistic
Your thoughts on Book are sort of like my thoughts on Brian Kelly.

Best QB/Coach out there? No.

Hit his ceiling? Probably

Gotten ND to a Top 10 ranking? Yes

Lead ND to the championship? Probably not

Easily replaced in the short term? No so might as well enjoy whatever success happens this season
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Book has proven to be fine, yes hes probably hit his 3 star ceiling but hes still a very good college qb who with a good surrounding cast can consistently get double digit wins. Do I think an elite QB would take this team over the top? Maybe, but I'm not convinced hes on this team and you dont just try it out for fun when your current QB has you ranked in the top 10 and has won a helluva lot more then hes lost. And I'm not the biggest book fan at all, just being realistic
Didn't ND do this just last year?

The attached is a screenshot of ND fans tweeting about how bad each QB kelly has had is, and how we need the next guy. At some point isn't it obvious it's not all the individual QBs, most of whom were wanted by other big schools, it's on the coaching staff.
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