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Old 11-09-2018, 02:45 AM
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Brandon Wimbush has started 7 games for ND in the past 12 months. In those 7 games, the Irish have failed to score more than 24 points.

He put up 22 against Ball St and 24 against Vandy in his last two starts. Any reason to think this changes Saturday? 24 might not be enough.
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We shouldnít give up more than ten and I expect the defense to score so we should be fine.
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We have consistently given up 17-24 points all season, no matter who we have played. From Ball St to Michigan. I know the weather will suck, but FSU still has some decent playmakers. And Blackman at QB looked mch better than Francois. They were decent on offense last week with him and their OC calling plays. The good news is FSU will be playing without their two starting guards, and the line was horrendous to begin with.
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He also didn't have Dexter for any of those games this season. Not sure if that's going to be a huge difference against FSU, but he's a weapon that BW didn't have at his disposal.
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There is clearly more risk now then there would be with Book, that's why he is the starter.... that's football though not much we can do about it. I am just gonna hope for the best,,, we did win the first three with Brandon , and ironically we are a pretty healthy team beyond Ian. We should be able to win.....but its likely going to be more
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Who is behind Wimbush?

J.D. Carney or Avery Davis?
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Who is behind Wimbush?

J.D. Carney or Avery Davis?
Monty Vangorder have any eligibility left? LMAO
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We have consistently given up 17-24 points all season, no matter who we have played. From Ball St to Michigan. I know the weather will suck, but FSU still has some decent playmakers. And Blackman at QB looked mch better than Francois. They were decent on offense last week with him and their OC calling plays. The good news is FSU will be playing without their two starting guards, and the line was horrendous to begin with.
Just a few notes, NC State is 97th is passing defense this year, ND is 9th. I'm not sure how much success Blackmon (if he even starts) will have vs ND. They have playmakers for sure, but they also have to be able to block ND.

I'd also say ND hasn't given up 17-24 points consistently in my opinion.

ND gave up 3 points to Michigan until 2:00 left and a KO return.

Ball St. had 6 until the game was more or less over in the 4th quarter.

Wake had 13 until garbage time.

Va Tech had 16 until garbage time.

Pitt scored 7 without the kick return.

Navy got their points after it was 28-0.

NW got 7 after the blocked punt, had 14 otherwise.

To me, many of the points have come late or because of special teams errors. Clearly a special teams mistake is a possibility again, but I think if the game is close at the end, you can take off quite a few points that ND has given up.

In pretty much every game that was close late, ND has shut down the opponent. It's only been the games they were leading by 2-3 scores where some late scores added points.
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Brandon Wimbush has started 7 games for ND in the past 12 months. In those 7 games, the Irish have failed to score more than 24 points.

He put up 22 against Ball St and 24 against Vandy in his last two starts. Any reason to think this changes Saturday? 24 might not be enough.
I think it does change. They get 27

I do think the 24 in the last 6 games is a bit misleading though.

Vs. Navy, they had 7 possession only and scored on 4. I'd say that was more of a pace of play, defense get off the field issue.

Stanford wasn't a great game.

LSU he got pulled, so that isn't all on him.

Michigan has a good defense.

Ball St. they tried to make him a pocket passer for some reason. They had him throw the second most passes of his career that game.

Vandy was a bad game.

So I'm going with two poor performances, two games vs. good teams and two incompletes or bad gameplans.

Wimbush is what he is. As long as they play to his strengths, and the defense plays well to keep ND on the field, I think they get 27-30.
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Who is behind Wimbush?

J.D. Carney or Avery Davis?
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Our offense becomes predictable with Wimbush. The playbook shrinks. This makes it easier for the defense to now scheme and play the run. It doesnít allow us to get the ball into our other playmakers hands like Boykin and Claypool.

We really need a blowout, easy, non stressful win where we can empty the bench come the 4th quarter. With BW we never blow anyone out. The games are always close. I donít see that changing on Sat. This will be a 27 or 24 to 13-17 type game with FSU a possession away from making it interesting.

And the lunacy of announcing on Thursday that BW is starting so they can game plan for it is even worse. IMO, I see this being a low scoring game that our defense is going to have to come up big all night.
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Just a few notes, NC State is 97th is passing defense this year, ND is 9th. I'm not sure how much success Blackmon (if he even starts) will have vs ND. They have playmakers for sure, but they also have to be able to block ND.

I'd also say ND hasn't given up 17-24 points consistently in my opinion.

ND gave up 3 points to Michigan until 2:00 left and a KO return.

Ball St. had 6 until the game was more or less over in the 4th quarter.

Wake had 13 until garbage time.

Va Tech had 16 until garbage time.

Pitt scored 7 without the kick return.

Navy got their points after it was 28-0.

NW got 7 after the blocked punt, had 14 otherwise.

To me, many of the points have come late or because of special teams errors. Clearly a special teams mistake is a possibility again, but I think if the game is close at the end, you can take off quite a few points that ND has given up.

In pretty much every game that was close late, ND has shut down the opponent. It's only been the games they were leading by 2-3 scores where some late scores added points.
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Did the games last year where Wimbush ****ed people up not count? Just curious?

42-14 against a USC team that ended 11-3?

Wimbush had 226 total yards and 4 TDs, he alone scored more than 24 points wow!

Or maybe when they beat 9-4 NCST 35-14?

Or maybe when they walked into Michigan St and beat them by 20?

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The reality is that Brandon is capable with these weapons at his disposal. He may not put up more than 30 points though. That's fine.

What I'm looking for is an aggressive attitude as Alohi Gilman talked about in an article on B/R. In these cold games, it's far more important to lay that first hit on the enemy. It gets the blood and endorphines going and literally doesn't hurt so much in the cold. I'd like to see us not receive the ball. Allow our good defense lay that hit and set the tone.

Also, look for Brandon to do anything and everything to be a hero; he'll come out with a chip on his shoulder looking to prove everyone wrong. That doesn't mean excellent gameplay. There will be mistakes but we will win.
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Did the games last year where Wimbush ****ed people up not count? Just curious?

42-14 against a USC team that ended 11-3?

Wimbush had 226 total yards and 4 TDs, he alone scored more than 24 points wow!

Or maybe when they beat 9-4 NCST 35-14?

Or maybe when they walked into Michigan St and beat them by 20?
Sure. They count. But there was a clear turning point in Wimbush's career. The Miami game. After that game, he's been pretty consistent. Consistently bad.
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Well hereís his audition if he decides to transfer next season. If he canít pass successfully on the FSU defense then no one but GT and Army will let him play qb.
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This game shapes up really well for a running attack with some deep balls. Snowing right now, should be a chilly kick off! Can't wait, our first visit since Charlie was here. Irish 37 Noles 20
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From BK's press conference, he doesnt sound too worried and he calls Book "day to day". I think he will be suited up if absolutley needed but we wont use him unless the season is on the line. He played the whole second half against NW with the injury.

He also notes Phil will be ready to go as a backup and sounds like he can run the offense, granted it will be limited. He thinks we can win either way. He also mentions that the weather wont be a huge factor. It will be cold but no stupid winds or rain or snow to deal with, just cold.


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Sure. They count. But there was a clear turning point in Wimbush's career. The Miami game. After that game, he's been pretty consistent. Consistently bad.
I feel like he has gotten an unfair shake. If we are talking the Miami game I am pretty sure Book threw a pick 6 that game. Good thing we havenít let the Miami game decide Books career huh?
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We have consistently given up 17-24 points all season, no matter who we have played. From Ball St to Michigan. I know the weather will suck, but FSU still has some decent playmakers. And Blackman at QB looked mch better than Francois. They were decent on offense last week with him and their OC calling plays. The good news is FSU will be playing without their two starting guards, and the line was horrendous to begin with.
I think it's also possible that we totally stymie their offense and they throw a few picks. I would not be surprised if we limit them to 7-14 points and that they give us 7-10 due to turnovers. There is no way they can prepare adequately for the cold, the swirling 20 mph wind and the frozen football. It is bound to effect them more than us. We'll see. I hope I'm right.
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I feel better with him going in than Iím sure most teams in the country would feel with their backup going in against a talented but underperforming team with nothing to lose and an undefeated season on the line
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Ok this is also credit to the defense, but weíre over 24 at the half.
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He was dyslexic - he meant 42 instead of 24.
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I'm curious if ND gets those 14 points from TOs inside the 10. Wimbushs stats were not very good.
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