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Old 09-15-2019, 11:40 PM
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By this, I mean, for the first time Kelly ran up the score. Even if he didnít mean too. But he did and he was able to get a lot of guys reps. Reps that build confidence. Reps that help teach. Reps that build character. But most importantly, reps that build depth. Something Iíve been clamoring for for years. Thatís what Bama, Clemson, and Ohio St has done for years. Itís also something I wanted BK to do last year more with our linebackers. We all knew that Tranquil and Coney would be gone. But no, he had to play them almost every down of every game. I get loyalty but you need to build depth first. Now we are playing a season of what ifs. What if Bauer was to start, or Simon. Or what if we move Bilal back inside.
Anyways, in the past we would play New Mexico to a close game in the forth. Or Until half time. Itís always been a **** poor performance and a lost game of getting many players in the game. Finally, a plus.
Also, he used those guys in unique ways that fit their talents. End arounds, back shoulders, jet sweeps and in all, didnít give the full playbook to Georgia. However, it did give Georgia something to think about. Something that we sorely lacked in the past with BK. Now, come Saturday I could be screaming for BKís head again. But right now in my eyes BK finally understands how to win in this day and age.
My last request from BK would be to be a motivational speaker for this team. Because he lacks this, I would want him to get the ultimate motivational speaker in Lou Holtz to give the pre-game speech before they come out on the field. To me, that would be that deciding edge that this team needs.
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Old 09-16-2019, 01:27 PM
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Motivational speakers do not win football games. The players have to believe that they can win. Going 1-10 on 3rd down tries is not going to beat Georgia.
Until Kelly can show the football world he can win a big game (and not just once) everyone will keep on saying that ND doesn't belong with the big boys and with justification. Beating up on the New Mexico's of the world is meaningless if they keep getting beat in the games that would show the country that the Irish are back.
Does this team have talent? Of course they do. Can this team beat Georgia? On any given Saturday...But
until Kelly can beat the power teams of the college football world, ND will not be taken seriously when talk of the playoffs roll around.
Close but no cigar may be fine for some people but for those of us who remember when Notre Dame was a powerhouse it just isn't good enough.
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Old 09-16-2019, 04:37 PM
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Motivational speakers do not win football games. The players have to believe that they can win. Going 1-10 on 3rd down tries is not going to beat Georgia.
Until Kelly can show the football world he can win a big game (and not just once) everyone will keep on saying that ND doesn't belong with the big boys and with justification. Beating up on the New Mexico's of the world is meaningless if they keep getting beat in the games that would show the country that the Irish are back.
Does this team have talent? Of course they do. Can this team beat Georgia? On any given Saturday...But
until Kelly can beat the power teams of the college football world, ND will not be taken seriously when talk of the playoffs roll around.
Close but no cigar may be fine for some people but for those of us who remember when Notre Dame was a powerhouse it just isn't good enough.
ND is never going to be a powerhouse again bc they have Academic standards. It doesnít mean they canít win a title one day, but theyíll never be what Clemson and Bama are right now.
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Old 09-18-2019, 02:09 AM
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ND is never going to be a powerhouse again bc they have Academic standards. It doesnít mean they canít win a title one day, but theyíll never be what Clemson and Bama are right now.
Notice how there was no response to this logical post. The Norte Dame elitists who think the football program will ever be what it was in the current college football world are sorely mistaken.

They all blame the coach which is hilariously stupid.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:37 PM
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Notice how there was no response to this logical post. The Norte Dame elitists who think the football program will ever be what it was in the current college football world are sorely mistaken.

They all blame the coach which is hilariously stupid.
What people seem to forget is that Notre Dame has changed more than the college football world has. Notre Dame did not used to have the restrictions it has today. Knute, Ara, etc.. did not have to deal with what the current coaching staffs have to. If anything the rules surrounding college football have gotten stricter. It’s not nearly the Wild West it used to be but ND has tightened down even more than the rest. ND did not used to be on the level of Stanford or Northwestern as far academics for its student athletes. Whether you agree with what ND has done is up for debate but Notre Dame has put these restrictions on themselves not the changing Landscape of college football. Even Holtz was given the inclusion of suspect students.

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Old 09-18-2019, 01:53 PM
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Notice how there was no response to this logical post. The Norte Dame elitists who think the football program will ever be what it was in the current college football world are sorely mistaken.

They all blame the coach which is hilariously stupid.
Agree to disagree. Notre Dame can control its destiny, including being great in football. I will place a lot of blame for the failures of the program on the coaches and the administrations that hired them. Two never had head coaching gigs, one with bad resume, another who didn't really want the job and coached and recruited like it, and the most successful is still here but hasn't won a significant game or major bowl. Talent will come if effort and a good product on the field lures them here. However through five, technically four, regimes consistency has been severely lacking in both areas for every coach.
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Agree to disagree. Notre Dame can control its destiny, including being great in football. I will place a lot of blame for the failures of the program on the coaches and the administrations that hired them. Two never had head coaching gigs, one with bad resume, another who didn't really want the job and coached and recruited like it, and the most successful is still here but hasn't won a significant game or major bowl. Talent will come if effort and a good product on the field lures them here. However through five, technically four, regimes consistency has been severely lacking in both areas for every coach.
Excellent post. I was going to chime in early but I wrote mainly for other peopleís fodder. Anyways, Iím a firm believer that coaching can even disguise bad leadership. The same way a good general can disguise a bad plan. To say that if Saban, Meyer, or Carroll weíre here that ND wouldnít had one a championship by now is ludicrous. Those guys have the name. The cache. The lure to draw in recruits just by their name alone. BK is getting there. He just needs to turn the corner and win a big game on prime tv.
So to say that coaching has no effect on winning championships is just wrong. But I digress.
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Old 09-19-2019, 12:14 AM
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I have a serious question here.


Do you think Kelly knows ND has a lot tighter restrictions than in years past?

I ask this because why would any coach continue to coach, especially at ND, knowing he will never win a National Championship. Isn't that the goal? Every good coach wants to be the best. It's mind boggling for me to think that Kelly doesn't believe he can win one here. Or else why coach here? And if he believes he can win, this falls flat on people believing that ND has lost its way. That they will never be back.
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I have a serious question here.


Do you think Kelly knows ND has a lot tighter restrictions than in years past?

I ask this because why would any coach continue to coach, especially at ND, knowing he will never win a National Championship. Isn't that the goal? Every good coach wants to be the best. It's mind boggling for me to think that Kelly doesn't believe he can win one here. Or else why coach here? And if he believes he can win, this falls flat on people believing that ND has lost its way. That they will never be back.
I can think of $5-6 million reasons why he sticks around......Think about it. Kelly has the backing of Jack, he is expected to be in a bowl game (and with ND playing the New Mexico's & Ball States of the world that isn't hard) and Kelly knows there is very little pressure on him to win the big games. I think I read the other day that ND is 1-18 since 2005 facing top 5 teams. If he wins a huge game that's great, if not well ND wasn't expected to win anyway.
Kelly is perfect for the Irish....no pressure from Jack to win, get ND into a bowl game, fill the stadium and keep the $$$ rolling in. Who wouldn't want that job?? The coaches who don't want to coach at ND are the coaches who strive for perfection, who demand perfection and who know what it takes to win.
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I have a serious question here.


Do you think Kelly knows ND has a lot tighter restrictions than in years past?

I ask this because why would any coach continue to coach, especially at ND, knowing he will never win a National Championship. Isn't that the goal? Every good coach wants to be the best. It's mind boggling for me to think that Kelly doesn't believe he can win one here. Or else why coach here? And if he believes he can win, this falls flat on people believing that ND has lost its way. That they will never be back.
Because his AD has his back at all times and this will be his last coaching stop when he decides he wants to retire.
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Old 09-20-2019, 01:59 AM
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I have a serious question here.


Do you think Kelly knows ND has a lot tighter restrictions than in years past?

I ask this because why would any coach continue to coach, especially at ND, knowing he will never win a National Championship. Isn't that the goal? Every good coach wants to be the best. It's mind boggling for me to think that Kelly doesn't believe he can win one here. Or else why coach here? And if he believes he can win, this falls flat on people believing that ND has lost its way. That they will never be back.
I get the impression that Kelly is not putting the same amount of time into recruiting as do other coaches who are considered elite recruiters.

If he was truly, truly serious about wanting to win a national championship, it seems that he would be making more of an effort.
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