PJ Fleck Club

[jbrown_9999]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

Nobody is winning at National title here in 3 yrs, that’s not how it works. The game is difft than when Holtz took over. You can’t recruit at a consistently high level.

All we know is that Kelly has not recruited better than Top 15. A different coach who worked harder at recruiting and has more charisma could probably recruit consistently in the Top 10.

It is your opinion (probably based on made up facts) that ND cannot recruit in the Top 5 or Top 10.

If you bothered to look at past recruiting results rather than make stuff up, you would see that schools go up and down in the recruiting rankings and that the number factor behind these moves is the head coach.

Just because ND has been basically recruiting Top 15 for the past 10 years, all that means is that Kelly is a Top 15 recruiter at ND. Different coach different result.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

And less than a yr ago they were in the playoff.

Beating literally no one.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Beating literally no one.

That Penn St win won’t end up any more impressive than ND beating USC in ‘17

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by jbrown_9999

All we know is that Kelly has not recruited better than Top 15. A different coach who worked harder at recruiting and has more charisma could probably recruit consistently in the Top 10.

It is your opinion (probably based on made up facts) that ND cannot recruit in the Top 5 or Top 10.

If you bothered to look at past recruiting results rather than make stuff up, you would see that schools go up and down in the recruiting rankings and that the number factor behind these moves is the head coach.

Just because ND has been basically recruiting Top 15 for the past 10 years, all that means is that Kelly is a Top 15 recruiter at ND. Different coach different result.

They can’t recruit a lot of kids bc of academics, that’s just the reality.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

That Penn St win won’t end up any more impressive than ND beating USC in ‘17

Has has Minnesota’s best start in 91 years. Keep talking. He could lose the next 2 in a row and has still done more than anyone on almost a century.

And don’t try to take the focus off of BK. He has had TEN YEARS to build a resume of beating top teams and big wins.......and we are still waiting. But let’s keep on giving him another 5 years to figure it out. We’re soooooo close!

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Has has Minnesota’s best start in 91 years. Keep talking. He could lose the next 2 in a row and has still done more than anyone on almost a century.

And don’t try to take the focus off of BK. He has had TEN YEARS to build a resume of beating top teams and big wins.......and we are still waiting. But let’s keep on giving him another 5 years to figure it out. We’re soooooo close!

MN doesn’t have that great of a history. And I guess you think Jeff Brohm has accomplished more than Kelly bc he beat OSU? He’ll, he blew them out, he’s clearly a better coach than Kelly or Fleck, bc one game is all that matters.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

MN doesn’t have that great of a history. And I guess you think Jeff Brohm has accomplished more than Kelly bc he beat OSU? He’ll, he blew them out, he’s clearly a better coach than Kelly or Fleck, bc one game is all that matters.

Again, you are ignoring the TEN YEARS part. BK has maybe one signature win in TEN YEARS. The proof is in the pudding for BK. Let’s give Fleck the talent and resources ND has and I’d bet he’d have more than that.

Keep touting the mediocrity of BK tho.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Again, you are ignoring the TEN YEARS part. BK has maybe one signature win in TEN YEARS. The proof is in the pudding for BK. Let’s give Fleck the talent and resources ND has and I’d bet he’d have more than that.

Keep touting the mediocrity of BK tho.

You’re basing this off 1 game for Fleck. His shtick will get old the minute his team doesn’t win. The running down the sideline, the boat rowing gestures are all gimmicks. It’s part of his brand building, and I don’t care about hiring a guy based on self marketing. I also don’t want a guy who is still a disciple of TressellBall. Fleck getting this one win doesn’t change the fact he’s out of date in terms of X’s and O’s.

[echo88]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

You’re basing this off 1 game for Fleck. His shtick will get old the minute his team doesn’t win. The running down the sideline, the boat rowing gestures are all gimmicks. It’s part of his brand building, and I don’t care about hiring a guy based on self marketing. I also don’t want a guy who is still a disciple of TressellBall. Fleck getting this one win doesn’t change the fact he’s out of date in terms of X’s and O’s.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm basing my opinion from the day he was hired. Higher win tallies each year as he inplements his system...this year is just further proof that he has been building this team into an undefeated squad that can beat a top 10 team despite having much less talent...

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by echo88

I can only speak for myself, but I'm basing my opinion from the day he was hired. Higher win tallies each year as he inplements his system...this year is just further proof that he has been building this team into an undefeated squad that can beat a top 10 team despite having much less talent...

Same team that nearly lost to GA Southern and Fresno St.

[zemaniak]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

That Penn St win won’t end up any more impressive than ND beating USC in ‘17

PSU beat Michigan. The same Michigan that clobbered BK.

[KellyisNasty]

I just don't get why anyone can watch 10 years of Kelly and think "Yeah! That's our guy. Just 5 more years and he will turn it around!"

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by KellyisNasty

I just don't get why anyone can watch 10 years of Kelly and think "Yeah! That's our guy. Just 5 more years and he will turn it around!"

He was in the playoff last yr, won 10 games the yr before. Might win 10 games this yr and has 2 stellar recruiting classes in the pipeline. I don’t know how anyone can think it’s realistic to win a title within 3 yrs at ND.

[echo88]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

He was in the playoff last yr, won 10 games the yr before. Might win 10 games this yr and has 2 stellar recruiting classes in the pipeline. I don’t know how anyone can think it’s realistic to win a title within 3 yrs at ND.

We get it man...just ride your train.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by echo88

We get it man...just ride your train.

No, you don’t get it. It’s very hard to win at ND, and when you do win, you buy yourself some leeway when you lose. Everyone here thinks the grass is greener and it’s not.

[golson5]

Fleck took over a 9 win team and went 12 and 13 in his first 2 years. They beat 1 good team this year. Everyone calm down

[golson5]

We beat 4 ranked teams actually. Glad Fleck got 1

[golson5]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Beating literally no one.

Actually we beat 4 ranked teams. Glad Fleck got 1

[golson5]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Again, you are ignoring the TEN YEARS part. BK has maybe one signature win in TEN YEARS. The proof is in the pudding for BK. Let’s give Fleck the talent and resources ND has and I’d bet he’d have more than that.

Keep touting the mediocrity of BK tho.

We'll be 29 and 6 in our last 35 games. Is that mediocrity? Beat Lsu in a bowl game. Made the playoffs. About to have 3 ten plus win seasons in a row. And 4 out of last 5

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by golson5

We'll be 29 and 6 in our last 35 games. Is that mediocrity? Beat Lsu in a bowl game. Made the playoffs. About to have 3 ten plus win seasons in a row. And 4 out of last 5

Again, beating no one and losing every big game we played. Every one of them. And at the same time being a national laughingstock for every pundit in America for us to be the brunt of all their jokes on how we are overrated and don’t belong.

Just to be clear, I think BK did a ok job with the program. I think we can do better. I’m not ok with getting pounded in nearly every big game for the last 10 years. I think there are a lot of people complacent and ok with going 10-2 or 9-3 most years under BK even though we lose the big games. I’m not. I want to see if someone else can do better. And I’m not saying it has to be Fleck. He just is one guy I think could do better than BK. I’m sure there are others as well

[Kelly Gruene]

Fleck will either be coaching in Southern California or in Tallahassee, or will have moved into an extremely large house in Minneapolis, long before Brian Kelly’s contract expires at Notre Dame.

[echo88]

Originally Posted by golson5

Actually we beat 4 ranked teams. Glad Fleck got 1

None of which were in the top 5, but you're right about Fleck getting his 1 at least. With Minnesota. In his 3rd year.

[golson5]

Originally Posted by echo88

None of which were in the top 5, but you're right about Fleck getting his 1 at least. With Minnesota. In his 3rd year.

We'll see where ped st ends up. Kelly beat a Michigan state team that finished the season ranked 3rd in the country and rose bowl champs. They finished 13 and 1. So that was way more impressive than this. Psu wil get waxed vs OSU and drop out of top 10

[golson5]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Again, beating no one and losing every big game we played. Every one of them. And at the same time being a national laughingstock for every pundit in America for us to be the brunt of all their jokes on how we are overrated and don’t belong.

Just to be clear, I think BK did a ok job with the program. I think we can do better. I’m not ok with getting pounded in nearly every big game for the last 10 years. I think there are a lot of people complacent and ok with going 10-2 or 9-3 most years under BK even though we lose the big games. I’m not. I want to see if someone else can do better. And I’m not saying it has to be Fleck. He just is one guy I think could do better than BK. I’m sure there are others as well

That's nonsense. The games he wins, they werent big after we win. When we lose, they are the big ones. Thats total BS

[echo88]

Originally Posted by golson5

We'll see where ped st ends up. Kelly beat a Michigan state team that finished the season ranked 3rd in the country and rose bowl champs. They finished 13 and 1. So that was way more impressive than this. Psu wil get waxed vs OSU and drop out of top 10

Im not sure how i can make this any clearer. Whatever BK has accomplished has been done at NOTRE DAME with light years more talent and resources...in a decade. Comparing that to what Fleck has done with MINNESOTA...in 3 years...is ridiculous.

Get it now?