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Old 11-11-2019, 08:06 PM
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Lol Solich inherited a team that had just won a national championship. Must be nice.

The program consistently regressed once he took the helm...he posted decent records while losing all the big games (sound familiar?)....and eventually sh|t the bed completely once all that Osborne's leftover talent dissipated and Frank's inability to recruit/develop players was revealed....
Or maybe it’s really hard to recruit at Nebraska? All of you dumb azzes think it’s so easy to build a program and win anywhere. You don’t have a clue.

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Old 11-11-2019, 08:13 PM
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So....you cited a coach who was horrendous as analogous to firing a coach who is winning. And then you cited Pelini's firing which has put Nebraska in football in a downward spiral after enjoying nothing less than 9-10 win seasons. Now, the real kicker with Nebraska is those dumba$$es firing Frank Solich who, except for one season, enjoyed 10,11, and 12 win seasons.

But, if you insist, Dave Clawson is the answer.
Theyíre talking about hiring Deion Sanders ffs. That could be one of the dumbest moves ever, on par with hiring Faust
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:15 PM
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Frost, yep. The man takes a winless UCF team, turns 0 wins into 6 in his first season, then goes undefeated the next defeating #7 AUBURN in a bowl game. He's definitely struggling to learn what it takes to win at a major program now that he's at Nebraska....but it will happen. Of all the major historic programs, Nebraska is probably the least attractive---tough to recruit, hasn't done anything since the 90s, middle of nowhere....etc..

And Herman. Hell, last year Herman took his Horns to beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl to finish ranked in the top 10...in just his second season. That's what migrating from Houston to a bigtime program (with bigtime recruits) can reveal about a football coach who is given a shot.

This year, the Horns lost by a single touchdown to both LSU and Oklahoma--in my opinion-- two of the top 5 teams in the country. Both of those teams would have demolished the Irish this year. We got throttled by a Michigan team who will probably end up being ranked somewhere between #15-#20 after they get smoked by OSU...

But yeah, it's ridiculous and "stupid" to assume that one of the young gun hot coaches might be a better alternative than keeping BK on board to coast through the next 5 years with mostly nothing to show for it....
Texas beat UGA bc they had a bunch of starters sit before the draft. Also, theyíve lost to TCU this yr and are currently unranked.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:21 PM
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FSU just fired Taggert after less than two years because they have high expectations. I just wish ND would do the same.

I love that Nebraska fired Pelini. They expect titles. Maybe that isn't a legitimate expectation, but that's what they expect. Pelini was winning games, but they were nowhere near a title. They tried Riley. Now they are on to Frost. At least they are trying something new.

I'd rather give a young coach a chance (not Fleck, but name others) and have ND either win a title or 6 games vs knowing ND is going to win 9-12 games, but never a title.
This is so dumb. First, you donít know Kelly canít win a title. Second, do you have any idea what kind of chaos ensues with a coaching change? Itís a full tear down of everything from staff, recruiting to schemes. Finally, wtf has Frost done at Nebraska that was any better than Taggart at FSU? Nothing.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:23 PM
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Iím talking about normal students, not athletes
And my point was that a percentage of Notre Dame alumni chose to go to ND primarily due to the success of the football team.

ND is not alone. Here is a 2009 study on the impact of sports success (football and basketball) on the quantity and quality of college applications.

https://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/dev...J%20Sports.pdf

Should the football team winning a championship be a reason to chose a school? Perhaps not. Might be a good tie breaker though if everything else is equal. My friend's daughter just graduated from Clemson, is now making six figures and had a great time in school due to the football team winning twice when she was there.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:37 PM
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This is so dumb. First, you donít know Kelly canít win a title. Second, do you have any idea what kind of chaos ensues with a coaching change? Itís a full tear down of everything from staff, recruiting to schemes. Finally, wtf has Frost done at Nebraska that was any better than Taggart at FSU? Nothing.
Wow you know so much I'm curious what your background is in? Clearly you must work or at least have experience of some kind in college athletics at a pretty high level
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:00 PM
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From 1963 until 2003, Nebraska finished in the top 20 all but 3 years. Think of that. They were a top 20 team 37 out of 40 years.

For all of the Pelini wins, he finished top 20 one time in 7 years. They decided that wasn't up to standard and fired him. Who cares in they went into a spiral after that. Pelini had 7 years to live up the standard and didn't do it. So they let someone else have a chance. When he didn't, they moved on again.

ND should have a standard. Compete for National Titles. Maybe that isn't possible. We know Kelly can't do it. I'd rather try for someone who can vs. winning 10, 11 or how many games knowing you can't beat the top teams.
For any other blueblood school, Frost with just two years as a head coach, was a reach. For Nebraska, he seemed to be out of Central Casting due to his history as a championship winning QB for them.

Given his lack of head coaching experience, Frost may need a few extra years to figure things out (like Dabo) and Nebraska may be willing to give him that extra time due to him being a "favored son".

Taggart, on the other hand, came in with more experience, less coaching success, and basically was not a former championship QB for FSU.

Frost has also slightly improved recruiting while FSU recruiting has slipped under Taggart.

As a result, Taggart had less room for error and was let go. I suspect that Frost will have 4 years.
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:49 AM
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I know you weren't asking me, but I have met Fleck. Played against him in high school sports.

We had one black kid in our school who was on our basketball team. Fleck used a few racial slurs towards him during the game.

He could win a title at ND and I'd **** on his statue.
Yeah, letís hold sh** against people for all eternity, especially sh** they did as immature youth. Iím not condoning it, but thereís a strong chance heís grown up since then. This is a major flaw in todayís society. There is no room to acknowledge that someone made mistakes in their youth but have grown past them. Itís literally ruining our society, and in the context of Catholicism runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus who asked folks to forgive, likely for this very reason - because if you can hold something against a person for eternity, regardless if theyíve grown past it and show remorse, you have power over them for eternity. Itís the ultimate gotcha and itís bullsh**.

Iím not advocating for Fleck. Just making a point... Itís the same sh** that got George OíLeary fired and sent us into oblivion for a while...his actions as a coach had far exceeded the timeline of that stupid resume issue, but somebody wanted to play gotcha and the university was all too willing and reactionary to play along. Grow up and acknowledge that people mature and grow past their ignorance as a youth.
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Old 11-12-2019, 03:15 AM
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Yeah, letís hold sh** against people for all eternity, especially sh** they did as immature youth. Iím not condoning it, but thereís a strong chance heís grown up since then. This is a major flaw in todayís society. There is no room to acknowledge that someone made mistakes in their youth but have grown past them. Itís literally ruining our society, and in the context of Catholicism runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus who asked folks to forgive, likely for this very reason - because if you can hold something against a person for eternity, regardless if theyíve grown past it and show remorse, you have power over them for eternity. Itís the ultimate gotcha and itís bullsh**.

Iím not advocating for Fleck. Just making a point... Itís the same sh** that got George OíLeary fired and sent us into oblivion for a while...his actions as a coach had far exceeded the timeline of that stupid resume issue, but somebody wanted to play gotcha and the university was all too willing and reactionary to play along. Grow up and acknowledge that people mature and grow past their ignorance as a youth.
You mean firing a coach has far reaching consequences? Shocking.
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Old 11-12-2019, 03:18 AM
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Wow you know so much I'm curious what your background is in? Clearly you must work or at least have experience of some kind in college athletics at a pretty high level
Common sense and due diligence. You fire a HC, you lose his most, if not all of his staff, you put your recruiting class at risk. It's not a turnkey operation where Kelly leaves and another guy just picks right up and keeps things moving.
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Old 11-12-2019, 04:42 AM
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So....you cited a coach who was horrendous as analogous to firing a coach who is winning. And then you cited Pelini's firing which has put Nebraska in football in a downward spiral after enjoying nothing less than 9-10 win seasons. Now, the real kicker with Nebraska is those dumba$$es firing Frank Solich who, except for one season, enjoyed 10,11, and 12 win seasons.

But, if you insist, Dave Clawson is the answer.
Solich was fired for more than his football record. He has a serious drinking problem and knocked up a Husker cheerleader while he was the head coach there. She moved back to her hometown had the baby and reportedly still travels to Ohio to see him occasionally.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:31 AM
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Common sense and due diligence. You fire a HC, you lose his most, if not all of his staff, you put your recruiting class at risk. It's not a turnkey operation where Kelly leaves and another guy just picks right up and keeps things moving.
Doesn't every new coach need to assemble a staff, recruit some players, etc.? So, based on your logic, does this mean that every new coach does worse than the coach he replaced?
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This is so dumb. First, you donít know Kelly canít win a title.
You think Brian Kelly can win a NC at ND? What gives you that impression?
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:59 PM
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Common sense and due diligence. You fire a HC, you lose his most, if not all of his staff, you put your recruiting class at risk. It's not a turnkey operation where Kelly leaves and another guy just picks right up and keeps things moving.
And if you hire the right coach who hits the ground running all of those factors can be mitigated. Meyer landed Tebow and a ton of other top recruits the winter he was hired. He's one example, it can be done.
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You think Brian Kelly can win a NC at ND? What gives you that impression?
He might be on mind altering drugs.
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I'd be happy if BK could be consistently competitive against top ranked teams and rivals. He will never win a NC.
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You think Brian Kelly can win a NC at ND? What gives you that impression?
Heís been to a National title game and playoff. And i didnít say he will win a title, but I believe the odds are better with him than Fleck
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Doesn't every new coach need to assemble a staff, recruit some players, etc.? So, based on your logic, does this mean that every new coach does worse than the coach he replaced?
No, but it takes time to build your program and if you want a title within 3 yrs of a coaching hire, thatís not happening at ND. The talent cycle fluctuates too much bc of limited recruiting options
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No, but it takes time to build your program and if you want a title within 3 yrs of a coaching hire, thatís not happening at ND. The talent cycle fluctuates too much bc of limited recruiting options
I'd be happy with a title after 5, 6 or 7 years. Kelly is on year 10 and still can't beat a ranked team. How much more proof do you need???
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I'd be happy with a title after 5, 6 or 7 years. Kelly is on year 10 and still can't beat a ranked team. How much more proof do you need???
Now you're just making stuff up. We've won 8 top 25 games in the last 2.5 years. Come on
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Now you're just making stuff up. We've won 8 top 25 games in the last 2.5 years. Come on
C'mon man you know that's a stretch. Your counting virginia tech and Stanford in that, two teams that yes were ranked when they played nd but finished at or around .500.
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C'mon man you know that's a stretch. Your counting virginia tech and Stanford in that, two teams that yes were ranked when they played nd but finished at or around .500.
Here are our AP Top 25 victories in 2017 and 2018 according to the final polls:

2017 - USC #12; Michigan State #15; LSU #18; NC State #23
2018 - Michigan #14; Syracuse #15; Northwestern #21
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No, but it takes time to build your program and if you want a title within 3 yrs of a coaching hire, that’s not happening at ND. The talent cycle fluctuates too much bc of limited recruiting options
So how did Kelly manage to do pretty well in his third year? Didn't he have to rebuild the staff and deal with limited recruiting options?
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Now you're just making stuff up. We've won 8 top 25 games in the last 2.5 years. Come on
Thanks for calling me out. If I had said a top 10 team in the past 2.5 years would that be more realistic?
And yet people think Kelly can win a National Championship. Give me a break.
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So how did Kelly manage to do pretty well in his third year? Didn't he have to rebuild the staff and deal with limited recruiting options?
A lot of those were Weis recruits.
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