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Old 08-23-2011, 04:15 PM
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Default Other Position Battles Announced

Watt over Nuss
Fox over Calabrese
Slaughter over Motta

All three positions are more or less "co-starter" spots for now, but that pretty much clears up most of the two deep question marks vs. USF.
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Pretty surprised by Calabrese and Motta not starting although both will play a lot. Fox just beat out Calabrese and McDonald. He must have had a great camp. Probably the speed aspect. Remember, Fox and Slaughter were 4 stars out of hs so they have talent. Watt over Nuss was expected so no surprise there.
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Gotta admit I've very surprised Fox passed up Carlo. Iggy players have a bad history of being overrated college players. He must have looked very good.
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:24 PM
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Brindza will handle kickoffs.
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What, Colin with critical remarks for another Ohio football program? NO!

Honestly, I'm surprised too. Fox was a 3/4 star depending on which site, same for Calabrese... Carlo really must not have done the necessary things in coverage and assignments, because his physicality is abundantly clear.

Also a little surprised that Watt beat out Nuss based on most of the camp buzz. Nuss stuck around rather than bolted for UVA as a 5th year because of PT concerns, so I hope he gets enough burn to feel the decision was worth it/not feel lied to, etc.
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Shocked that Carlo got passed over...

Bet he's pissed. Hope this lights some extra fire under his butt...
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What, Colin with critical remarks for another Ohio football program? NO!
I really like Iggy and I think Chuck Kyle's one of the best coaches in the entire country...I just think most of their players suck when they get to college.

*Cough* John Ryan playing an entire game and not recording a tackle. *Cough*
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Carlo sucks in pass coverage. It's hit the guy running with the ball or nothing for him...
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:43 PM
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Brindza will handle kickoffs.
I have to wonder if he'll have FGs and/or Punts by midseason. The latter is certainly easy to picture.
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I really like Iggy and I think Chuck Kyle's one of the best coaches in the entire country...I just think most of their players suck when they get to college.

*Cough* John Ryan playing an entire game and not recording a tackle. *Cough*
Are the asterisks for the one not recorded on Weis?

John Ryan may be the nicest human being on the planet, but his results in between the hash marks are virtually indefensible. I have no antithesis to that example.
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I think Watt and Nuss were a dead heat. Why not play the guy with 3 years of eligibility. Nuss will play plenty.
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Carlo sucks in pass coverage. It's hit the guy running with the ball or nothing for him...
Calabrese is one of my fav players on the team. Don't know if he exactly sucks at pass coverage but he won't ever be mistaken for Deion Sanders. Obviously a liability enough. We open with 2 major RUNNING qbs one of which killed us last year. We need all the speed on the field possible and Diaco and Kelly are going to ensure of this.
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Color me extremely surprised that Fox eclipsed Calabrese on the depth chart.

I look forward to seeing what the kid has out there in a couple weeks . . .
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Color me extremely surprised that Fox eclipsed Calabrese on the depth chart.

I look forward to seeing what the kid has out there in a couple weeks . . .
ditto. i think pass coverage and general speed was perhaps the deciding factor here...
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Surprised by Fox too. Good for him!

What is most surprising to me though, is the extraordinary depth we have now. We have high quality players in most positions, two deep.

Brian alluded to something in the Press conf. He stated that football is a game of injuries. So knowing that we have good depth is a great development.
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ditto. i think pass coverage and general speed was perhaps the deciding factor here...
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that was the case . . .
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Shocked that Carlo got passed over...

Bet he's pissed. Hope this lights some extra fire under his butt...
Not me. He's too slow sideline to sideline and in his pass drops.
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What is really good news to me is that we now know that when Kelly tells you that somebody is coming on and pushing another player----HE MEANS IT. Some guys here really blasted Fox in the past. So when coach says Danny Spond is pushing Shembo---it's true!!! Gotta love the way Kelly builds depth. If he says your going to play---he means it.

Slaughter over Motta---Slaughter is a stud, no surprise---more depth. Watt beating Nuss---great, he has 3 years eligibility and Nuss only one. Plus, Nuss can play tackle....maybe that weighed into the decision.

Bottom line....we're better, faster and deeper.
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Does anyone have the full text available from the presser today? Or, where there any other details besides the qb and the other starters that were covered today?
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Like most others I'm pretty surprised about Fox jumping Carlo too.
I'm glad the staff didn't let seniority weigh in on the decision though.
Best man plays!

Looking at his pic he looks very much like a certain doucher from u$c who is currently tearing it up in Green Bay.
I hope he can play as well.

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I think Fox ahead of Carlo is as simple as Fox was always good at pass coverage and not as much a run-stuffer, Carlo the opposite. With a very solid LB core behind a improved and much stronger D-line and with perhaps Nix at NT, I am not sure Kelly is concerned about USF's running game (which isnt remarkable to begin with) which also require an "up the gut" call to come to Fox's area. The much greater consideration would be that Fox can play center against a QB known for running out of the pocket, extending plays etc etc...Fox is a better fit for this opponent...if USF were a "pound it between the tackles" team then Carlo would be starting IMO. Not sure Fox outperformed as much as they are both capable but better suited depending on opponent and both will play a lot...
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I think Fox ahead of Carlo is as simple as Fox was always good at pass coverage and not as much a run-stuffer, Carlo the opposite. With a very solid LB core behind a improved and much stronger D-line and with perhaps Nix at NT, I am not sure Kelly is concerned about USF's running game (which isnt remarkable to begin with) which also require an "up the gut" call to come to Fox's area. The much greater consideration would be that Fox can play center against a QB known for running out of the pocket, extending plays etc etc...Fox is a better fit for this opponent...if USF were a "pound it between the tackles" team then Carlo would be starting IMO. Not sure Fox outperformed as much as they are both capable but better suited depending on opponent and both will play a lot...
Very good point IC.
And as far as having Fox in their for the USF, I see the exact same scenario for the meatchicken game.
I'll take a quicker Fox over a bigger hitter/run stuffer in Carlo when it's time to handle Denard. 5 or 10 pounds doesn't matter when the target weighs a buck 70.

Using this thinking then you would also probably say that Carlo is the better fit against MSU.
But there's no way Kelly would switch starters, right?
I don't think so, Carlo just gets more PT I would think.
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Given the recent injury history at the Will and with Slaughter, this feels like 1A and 1B to me for both positions. If I am in a season tackle pool, I am still taking Motta and Carlo.
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For a lot of these spots I think starter simply means "The guy that will play the first snap." I don't mean that to sound sarcastic, but as others have pointed out, each has their own strengths and weaknesses and the coaches will utilize them to match the game situation.

I don't know that starter always even means the better player. Nix may very well be better than Cwynar, but for varying reasons Cwynar will "start".
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Carlo sucks in pass coverage. It's hit the guy running with the ball or nothing for him...
Who cares if he sucks in pass coverage. Put him into the boundry and all he would have to do is drop straight back down the hash and look for slant, dig, over drag. He would have help from the safety, corner, and cat linebacker. There are ways to hide someone in coverage, but #1 rule is stop the run.
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