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Old 01-14-2020, 11:15 AM
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Default Clemson has 120 players on roster

Here is a quote from Swindler...

If you want to know why we’re putting Clemson at No. 1, just read what Dabo Swinney had to say Saturday.

“The good news is this is one of the youngest teams I've ever had,” Swinney said. “We've got 80 freshmen and sophomores out of our 120. I think we've got a chance to be a better team next year. I really do. Fifteen [mid-year enrollees] just got there, and we've got a lot of people back, and excited about what our future is, and this is kind of the end of a great decade, and we would certainly love to end it up as National Champs, but we're excited about the Roaring '20s, too.”
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Old 01-14-2020, 01:18 PM
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Here is a quote from Swindler...

If you want to know why we’re putting Clemson at No. 1, just read what Dabo Swinney had to say Saturday.

“The good news is this is one of the youngest teams I've ever had,” Swinney said. “We've got 80 freshmen and sophomores out of our 120. I think we've got a chance to be a better team next year. I really do. Fifteen [mid-year enrollees] just got there, and we've got a lot of people back, and excited about what our future is, and this is kind of the end of a great decade, and we would certainly love to end it up as National Champs, but we're excited about the Roaring '20s, too.”
120 is the limit including walkones. 85 is the scholarship limit.

It isnt unusual to have most of your walkons be younger guys as a lot less of them stick around for all 4 years. When I played D1 (dif sport), about 1 in 10 walk ones lasted all 4 years.
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Old 01-14-2020, 06:53 PM
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So I learned something today.

NCAA Sports are being cut while 35 non-scholarship football walk-ons have funding going there way to plus up the teams for practice on top of 85.

35 non-scholarship football walk-ons equals about 2 Olympic Sports - say wrestling and gymnastics.
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So I learned something today.

NCAA Sports are being cut while 35 non-scholarship football walk-ons have funding going there way to plus up the teams for practice on top of 85.

35 non-scholarship football walk-ons equals about 2 Olympic Sports - say wrestling and gymnastics.
I do not believe that 35 football walk-ons are causing the cuts to other mens sports.

Football makes money for Clemson.

Walk-ons do not get scholarships so cost is relatively minor. Also, 35 walk-ons might mean finding one or two players a year who earn real playing time.

Finally, Title IX also requires equivalent scholarships for men and women, so the 85 football scholarships hurt other men sports such as wrestling, gymnastics, etc. not the 35 walk-ons.
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I do not believe that 35 football walk-ons are causing the cuts to other mens sports.

Football makes money for Clemson.

Walk-ons do not get scholarships so cost is relatively minor. Also, 35 walk-ons might mean finding one or two players a year who earn real playing time.

Finally, Title IX also requires equivalent scholarships for men and women, so the 85 football scholarships hurt other men sports such as wrestling, gymnastics, etc. not the 35 walk-ons.
I thought I also read that walk ons don't get to eat at training table and have other restrictions regarding team activities.
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I do not believe that 35 football walk-ons are causing the cuts to other mens sports.

Football makes money for Clemson.

Walk-ons do not get scholarships so cost is relatively minor. Also, 35 walk-ons might mean finding one or two players a year who earn real playing time.

Finally, Title IX also requires equivalent scholarships for men and women, so the 85 football scholarships hurt other men sports such as wrestling, gymnastics, etc. not the 35 walk-ons.
Olympic Sports operate on a shoe string budget including many players who are walk-ons or the sports are unto themselves club teams. The 35 players get first class treatment when the Olympic Sports teams operate like a high team and have to even year fight to keep from being cut. Diversity should means more than one sport fits all.
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So I learned something today.

NCAA Sports are being cut while 35 non-scholarship football walk-ons have funding going there way to plus up the teams for practice on top of 85.

35 non-scholarship football walk-ons equals about 2 Olympic Sports - say wrestling and gymnastics.
Most of the costs associated with running a program are fixed. The training staff, coaches & etc.

Sure they have extra laundry, food, tape, ice, bandages, etc but it's not sinking the program by any means.

Traveling your badminton team from Lubbock to Morgantown, however, is not sustainable. You can thank college football for that..

Non Scholly walk ons are just part of the deal..
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Olympic Sports operate on a shoe string budget including many players who are walk-ons or the sports are unto themselves club teams. The 35 players get first class treatment when the Olympic Sports teams operate like a high team and have to even year fight to keep from being cut. Diversity should means more than one sport fits all.
And exactly who should pay for non-revenue sports? The athletes?, all students? Tax payers for state schools?

I say this as the parent of two kids who rowed in college at the club level.
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As a two sport collegian, there is definitely a difference between revenue sports(FB and MBB) and all others. Mind you it was D3, so no schollies, but it was pronounced. Our travel generally stayed within the state for our FB schedule, but occasionally we had HH with Wisconsin and Illinois teams. Our road games were universally overnight stays on Friday and the games started around noon Saturday. Our lodging consisted of two players per room, sit down team dinner Friday night at a hotel restaurant/supper club, team breakfast the same on Sat, and again Sat dinner post game. We travelled by tour bus.

Wrestling required overnight lodging for Sat tournaments only. We travelled with trainers and staff usually in a cramped 17 passenger van. We were put four to a room. Meals consisted of $5-6 per diem given to us to get Subway or something reasonable healthy. Breakfast for tourneys was a box of bagels(usually brought with for trip) and a squeeze bottle of jelly and maybe cream cheese. The cafeteria made box lunches for our trips that had one RB sandwich and one turkey/chicken, an apple, small bag of carrots and celery, maybe chips, and squeeze packets for condiments. Trip home was per diem Subway again.

Anyway loved FB season for the amenities, but hated it for wrestling. To this day I won't touch a f'ing bagel lol! Most athletic budgets run in the negative for DI, I think there are only about 20 who make a profit(ND is one). FB and MBB are the profiteers for the rest of the sports teams at most schools. I know one way some universities have been able to preserve wrestling is to get an endowment that basically covers running the program. But thats if they even bother trying. Oregon as an example should have no problem running every sport under the sun with all their Nike money, however they too decided to drop wrestling. ND likewise could afford to run the program had they wanted to, but they also chose to drop it.
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