2020 Recruiting Prospects

[goirish83]

Originally Posted by Gatsby

Absolutely correct. We have secured a commitment from a top back and lead for another. It hurts to admit it but he and Lyght were our worst recruiters. Todd is my second favorite player of all time, but has got to get some high 4 and five star guys in.

Yup it's clear that running back and corner have consistently been the worst recruited the last handful of years. Denson was replaced and taylor has immediately upgraded the talent. Sadly it's time for TL to go as well and hopefully a new guy can upgrade the corners as well.

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by goirish83

Yup it's clear that running back and corner have consistently been the worst recruited the last handful of years. Denson was replaced and taylor has immediately upgraded the talent. Sadly it's time for TL to go as well and hopefully a new guy can upgrade the corners as well.

I believe Lyght will be gone at the end of this year. Probably good for both parties. Certainly need a couple of these committed CBs to actually pan out.

[golson5]

Whats the latest on Henderson? Anything else happening

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by golson5

Whats the latest on Henderson? Anything else happening

Good question. Not entirely sure what he is waiting on. He may just want a moment toward the end of the season to make his announcement. He is an EE and is qualified for ND.

ND is talking to other players as well but not anything big right now. I would suspect any new names visit for the banquet if they truly pursue anyone.

[golson5]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

Good question. Not entirely sure what he is waiting on. He may just want a moment toward the end of the season to make his announcement. He is an EE and is qualified for ND.

ND is talking to other players as well but not anything big right now. I would suspect any new names visit for the banquet if they truly pursue anyone.

But you're still expecting us to land Henderson?

[Synoptico]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

Good question. Not entirely sure what he is waiting on. He may just want a moment toward the end of the season to make his announcement. He is an EE and is qualified for ND.

ND is talking to other players as well but not anything big right now. I would suspect any new names visit for the banquet if they truly pursue anyone.

Wonder if they are saving the spots for whoever takes over for tL if he isnt around

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by golson5

But you're still expecting us to land Henderson?

As of today yes.

If they do part ways with Lyght as most anticipate then they need to find a Lance Taylor type hire that is a solid coach and recruits really well. Right now they are bringing in Lewis WR/DB, Bartleson RB/DB, Offord DB, and potentially Henderson WR/DB. I listed their primary/longer term position first. Lewis has the measurables and looks like a really solid player. He looks like he could be a nice find. Bartleson has the measurables too but limited DB time. Offord is raw but has excellent physical attributes. Henderson has the measurables although his junior film was terrible in my opinion. Curious to see his senior year. The ND staff would have a lot of clay to work with. Is that clay Love/Onwualu type or Jon Jones/Studstill. So far I would say Bill Rees and Co. have been trending toward finding the Love/Onwualu types and ND needs it to happen.

[irishwavend]

Why is Lyght leaving? Just can't stand South Bend weather?

[Synoptico]

Originally Posted by irishwavend

Why is Lyght leaving? Just can't stand South Bend weather?

Nothing is confirmed, just speculation that both sides will part ways.

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by irishwavend

Why is Lyght leaving? Just can't stand South Bend weather?

His family actually lives in California and his son is a freshman on the Mater Dei football team. From NDs side, he isn't lighting the world on fire with recruiting and on the field has been ok to solid.

[jessemoore97]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

His family actually lives in California and his son is a freshman on the Mater Dei football team. From NDs side, he isn't lighting the world on fire with recruiting and on the field has been ok to solid.

I mentioned before that some of the recruiting stuff may come from a difference of opinions within the staff on which and what type of DB's ND recruits. I don't get it myself since I would prefer to cast a wider net with recruiting and not eliminating kids due to certain qualities or lack thereof. A larger recruiting pool lends itself for a higher hit rate for top talent. Long/tall DB are alright, but if they lack instinct it can be a wash. A shorter kid who has good hips and plays the position naturally can be just as or maybe more effective.

As far as results on the field, we lost Love who was excellent, and is hard to replace. Trying to remember who else we had since Lyght has been here, Cole Luke maybe?

[LasVegasIrish]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

His family actually lives in California and his son is a freshman on the Mater Dei football team. From NDs side, he isn't lighting the world on fire with recruiting and on the field has been ok to solid.

Wonder how good his son is/will be...Would probably be considered an upset if Lyght’s son doesn’t end up at ND. Always nice to get Mater Dei kids as well.

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by LasVegasIrish

Wonder how good his son is/will be...Would probably be considered an upset if Lyght’s son doesn’t end up at ND. Always nice to get Mater Dei kids as well.

He is currently on the freshman team. Listed at 6'2 and a WR/DE. Position likely changes because that is a weird combo.

[jbrown_9999]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

He is currently on the freshman team. Listed at 6'2 and a WR/DE. Position likely changes because that is a weird combo.

Wasn't Greg Little a WR/DE in high school? I thought there was a fairly high profile WR/DE recruit that ND pursued in the last 15 years

[LasVegasIrish]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

He is currently on the freshman team. Listed at 6'2 and a WR/DE. Position likely changes because that is a weird combo.

I’ve seen some DE/WR combos in HS. Usually guys that are on the thinner side and need some of that weight gain at the college level.

[golson5]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

As of today yes.

If they do part ways with Lyght as most anticipate then they need to find a Lance Taylor type hire that is a solid coach and recruits really well. Right now they are bringing in Lewis WR/DB, Bartleson RB/DB, Offord DB, and potentially Henderson WR/DB. I listed their primary/longer term position first. Lewis has the measurables and looks like a really solid player. He looks like he could be a nice find. Bartleson has the measurables too but limited DB time. Offord is raw but has excellent physical attributes. Henderson has the measurables although his junior film was terrible in my opinion. Curious to see his senior year. The ND staff would have a lot of clay to work with. Is that clay Love/Onwualu type or Jon Jones/Studstill. So far I would say Bill Rees and Co. have been trending toward finding the Love/Onwualu types and ND needs it to happen.

Are his senior highlights out yet. Ive read hes a real good athlete although raw

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by golson5

Are his senior highlights out yet. Ive read hes a real good athlete although raw

They just came out. I 100% see a WR, personally. His speed is interesting. Huge stride but eats up ground like crazy.

[TexasDomer]

He reminds me of Lee Becton.... looks slooow, but somehow moves farther than everyone in the same amount of time.

[FaithInIrishForever]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

They just came out. I 100% see a WR, personally. His speed is interesting. Huge stride but eats up ground like crazy.

Floyd had long strides like that, he'd be a nice add somewhere between DaVaris Daniels and Mike Floyd is who he reminds me of.

[Big23Head]

Originally Posted by FaithInIrishForever

Floyd had long strides like that, he'd be a nice add somewhere between DaVaris Daniels and Mike Floyd is who he reminds me of.

He’s being recruited as a DB but I agree. Also Washington just offered so that may change things.

[irishwavend]

Originally Posted by FaithInIrishForever

Floyd had long strides like that, he'd be a nice add somewhere between DaVaris Daniels and Mike Floyd is who he reminds me of.

So... He’s Chase Claypool... 🤣🤣🤣

[FaithInIrishForever]

Originally Posted by Big23Head

He’s being recruited as a DB but I agree. Also Washington just offered so that may change things.

I think he might get wherever as a DB and turn into a Joe Wilkins where te head coach is like, your playing offense young man.

[LasVegasIrish]

Originally Posted by JoeBrasco

All the current running backs will not even sniff an NFL roster. It is unacceptable for ND to be so lacking at the RB position. If you want to argue they are reliable backups I can agree with that. Put any of them against a Bama-type defense and they would get absolutely destroyed. Jones is too slow, Armstrong is too small without enough quickness to make up for it, and Smith is just plain average.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the RB room needs an upgrade. Tyree is an amazing start to hopefully continuous upgrades. I am with Big here though, I wouldn't classify Armstrong as too small. He runs a bit upright which might make him seem that way, but size isn't the issue for him - it is staying on the field and continuing to learn the position as a converted WR.

Armstrong is the one guy (maybe C'bo) that I feel can still become an above average to great college starting running back.

No one is really arguing about guys like Jones, Smith, etc. likely not being NFL talents, but at the same time, not all good college players are. But yes, what you said is my main point. All of these guys, imo, would be considered solid/reliable backups that can put up good stats in the proper role - which they all have at times.

[tneun89]

Originally Posted by LasVegasIrish

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the RB room needs an upgrade. Tyree is an amazing start to hopefully continuous upgrades. I am with Big here though, I wouldn't classify Armstrong as too small. He runs a bit upright which might make him seem that way, but size isn't the issue for him - it is staying on the field and continuing to learn the position as a converted WR.

Armstrong is the one guy (maybe C'bo) that I feel can still become an above average to great college starting running back.

No one is really arguing about guys like Jones, Smith, etc. likely not being NFL talents, but at the same time, not all good college players are. But yes, what you said is my main point. All of these guys, imo, would be considered solid/reliable backups that can put up good stats in the proper role - which they all have at times.

Armstrong is the most frustrating player to watch this year. I remember in the preseason, a lot of media members predicted he'd have a 1,000-yard (total yards) season, and I didn't think that was far-fetched at all. But that injury really killed him - he has not looked good at all since he came back. It seems like he has no wiggle and his speed is down. That's a hard injury to overcome for a RB. Hopefully he can put it together next year, but he's a complete unknown and somebody that the coaches should not bank on.

Tony Jones has had a good year, but he's also been bitten by the injury bug. I have no idea whether he'll stay or go. He's not an NFL guy, probably, but he may still want to give it a shot. Would like to see C'Bo and Jahmir get more carries these last few games. Not highly recruited guys, but it seems like they are true RBs.

Tyree can't get here soon enough.

[Jersey Irish]

Originally Posted by tneun89

Armstrong is the most frustrating player to watch this year. I remember in the preseason, a lot of media members predicted he'd have a 1,000-yard (total yards) season, and I didn't think that was far-fetched at all. But that injury really killed him - he has not looked good at all since he came back. It seems like he has no wiggle and his speed is down. That's a hard injury to overcome for a RB. Hopefully he can put it together next year, but he's a complete unknown and somebody that the coaches should not bank on.

Tony Jones has had a good year, but he's also been bitten by the injury bug. I have no idea whether he'll stay or go. He's not an NFL guy, probably, but he may still want to give it a shot. Would like to see C'Bo and Jahmir get more carries these last few games. Not highly recruited guys, but it seems like they are true RBs.

Tyree can't get here soon enough.

Armstrong has a track background and it always seems that those football players are more injury prone for whatever reason.
Now if they say a RB has track speed (like Tyree) that's another story. He is the goods and should start from Day 1.